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Just getting a badge for this...
Like said above, i'm just doing this for a badge. Sorry for the trouble if any. ^.^


 * Please do not make edits simply to get badges.


 * This is actually considered 'boosting' and is a bannable offense on the wiki, so be careful.


 * - JackFrost23 18:53, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Monkeys In Thieves Landing?
This is going to sound very odd i was in multiplayer exploring balconys and random bulidings and i was in the physician place looking around and i heard the wierdest sound ever that sounded like a monkey. There are many sounds all happening at once in thieves landing so i dont know.odd thing is i only heard it once i went back there and didnt hear it again. only the frogs crickets toads and dogs..so ill try to go back there to heard it again it was just wierd.. WaaJacob


 * Right around sunset, there's a scripted event in which bats fly over Thieves' Landing (this also occurs in Tumbleweed). They make a really unusual sound and there are LOTS of them so it's pretty noisy. Unfortunately, because they're scripted animals, you can't shoot them.


 * This might be the explanation for the 'monkeys'. ;)


 * - JackFrost23 18:56, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see it was the wierdest noise i ever heard in all of red dead redemption the only thing i could think it was . was a monkey didnt know bats where in thieves landing only thought they were in tumbleweed . BATS!?!?
 * i'll send more of these events if anything else happends.. nothign could be wierder than thinking a monkey was in thieves landing- ...well there are people sinking into the palace floor in escalera .i cant do it but ive seen otheres fall in the floor.- WaaJacob


 * Yep. I happened to be on the roof of the stables on the north end of town near sunset, and all of a sudden there were bats flying all around me and they made a really crazy sound, too.


 * Because of the dark color scheme for Thieves' Landing, the bad weather and the numerous trees, they might not be as easy to see as in Tumbleweed where they stand out against the open sky.


 * But check in the place I mentioned around sunset and look up, you just might catch sight of them.


 * I think R* might have fixed that one floor glitch in Escalera, but there is still a way to get under the mansion. ;)


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 19:24, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Page Lock Request
Hello, I have recently made a page that has come under attack by several speculative edits made by anonymous users, and I fear that vandalism is going to happen soon. I was wondering if you could lock the page so only registered users could edit it. It is a Zombie Marston page that, and my explanation of it's existence is explained on the talk page. Thanks, Jackass2009 01:46, January 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, you kind of have a problem then because I don't think there should be a Zombie Marston page and that all the info on it needs to be moved onto John's already existing character page.


 * I understand he's the main character and all, but it seems a little ridiculous to create an entire page for something that could just be in the article that's already here.


 * I mean, seriously, if the page is so important to you, why haven't you at least linked it to Marston's page and vice versa? How is someone going to find it?


 * Not to mention that the very existence of the page is a huge spoiler for Undead Nightmare.


 * So try moving the info to John's article and then you won't have to worry about vandalism because that page is already blocked to unregistered users.


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 16:42, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Removing Talk Page Content
Hello again. I just wanted to know about your stance on removing content from talk pages. I was pretty sure that it's against the rules, but I just wanted to know for sure. User:WaaJacob has deleted his talk page 4 times. I've warned him twice, and now I just want to make sure I'm not acting out of hand. Thanks. -XHobbes 22:01, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Are you so obsessed in the 'Rules' you have to correct every time little 'mistake' just because you dont know it that pretty over confident. So in future stop it. i mean just because YOU dont know something DOES NOT MEAN ITS WRONG

and ill keep my page since you want it hobbes--- WaaJacob 23:30, January 7, 2011 (UTC)Waajacob

Experience
Hello. I was wondering, and I know this is out-of-the-blue and completely irrelevant to Red Dead, but I was wondering if you have any experience with creating templates and/or characterboxes? I ask this because I recently created the Dollars Trilogy Wiki, and I need some help. There's no rush. I have only seen one other user, and he was a vandal. I just want some help with creating characterboxes. I'm really new to this sort of thing. I'm used to smaller contributions and general maintanence, not this. I'm sorry to bug you about this, any help would be appreciated. Thanks. -XHobbes 04:50, January 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I gottta be honest with you XHobbes, I've only ever cannibalized the other existing infoboxes and then tailored them to what I needed. I've never made one from scratch.


 * For instance, I made new templates for infoboxes for the Strangers and their missions and the Undead Nightmare missions, but all I did was create the template, copy the code from the other infobox and change the colors and what displays.


 * So you could try just tailoring an existing infobox to your needs, but that depends on how good you are with the code.


 * Now, making it so the little PS3 trophies show up in the achievement pages and trophy banners? That was a pain in the ass! :D


 * - JackFrost23 16:20, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Opinion
Hello I noticed that you are a breacrat on this wikia. I was hoping to know your opinin of the Bully Fanon wikia, it is the most disgracful wikia that has been created. Do you know other users who were part of it, if not leave a message on Sasne talk page24.128.84.115 00:03, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Beecher's Hope Ayautheotl Message Thing
Okay, I'll try it again but is there something I should've done after beating the game that would trigger that cutscene to happen? Aside from opening the door I mean. When I rose out of the grave I immediately went to go clear out Torquemada, and fast travelled back to Beecher's Hope after remembering that, and all the doors were open inside the house. I figured it was a glitch so I came back later and the doors were all closed and boarded up. I tried to interact with them/walk into them but I heard nothing. I'll start using the talk pages for things like this next time. Thanks, Jackass2009 00:37, January 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * The operative part of this that I think you're missing is that you must try to re-enter your ranch house BEFORE YOU COMPLETE THE GAME. :) After you've completed the game, Ayauhtéotl will have no reason to stop you from re-entering the house, so you won't get the cutscene.


 * Check out the vid I gave you if you want to see the scene to which I'm referring, or re-visit Beecher's Hope after doing the Sasquatch side-mission or clearing Cochinay. Trust me, it will play... ;)


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 01:02, January 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. I watched the video. I had a save before then, after the Las Hermanas Zombie Meet and Greet (bring one to Mother Superior) and I got it. I'll use the talk page more often for things like this. Thanks, Jackass2009 01:04, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. I watched the video. I had a save before then, after the Las Hermanas Zombie Meet and Greet (bring one to Mother Superior) and I got it. I'll use the talk page more often for things like this. Thanks, Jackass2009 01:04, January 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * No worries, man, just bringing it to your attention. Glad you finally got to see it even though it's kind of a throw-away cutscene since most people never bother to try and go back home. :D


 * - JackFrost23 18:31, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Character Pages
Hello, JackFrost. I just wanted to tell you that I've been trying really hard to follow your guidelines for character pages, but I've hit a snag. The "PAGENAME" (with the { } brackets) doesn't work for me. Everytime I create a page and use the PAGENAME code, it buggers up the page, bolding some letters, putting sections in boxes, etc. Could you help me out here? If not, you're going to have to follow up on my new pages. Thanks. -XHobbes 01:41, January 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * The magic-word doesn't work while creating a new article through the Special:CreatePage (it still works while creating an article from a red link), because the article doesn't technically exist yet, so the magic-word isn't recognized and the six 'single quotes' surrounding it make the whole paragraph bold and italicized with one single quote to spare. Once you save the changes, everything will look as it should.


 * As for the "putting sections in boxes" part, I think this may have been caused by a space before the first word in a paragraph, like this:

Sample sentence in a box.


 * Hope this answered the question :) --Anon talk 02:18, January 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Um, yeah, what Annon said. ;P


 * -JackFrost23 16:08, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Fletch Hillard Picture
I am aware that the picture was of Harvard Coskie, but Coskie and Hillard use the same skin. Would cropping out the bottom portion that includes Coskie's name be sufficient

Jci2297 17:28, January 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, because it's still the pic of Harvard Coskie from the Outfitter.
 * I'm not going to challenge every pic, obviously, but I know for a fact that that one is not Fletch Hillard, and so does anyone familiar with the Outfitter. As such I can't reliably tell you how long it would stay up there before someone considered it a mistake and changed it anyway.
 * If you can find a pic that guy in some other pose, and without any kind of indications that he's the Multiplayer character, I'll have no problem with it.
 * Cheers!
 * - JackFrost23 17:33, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was afraid of that. I've looked, but I haven't found a picture of him besides that one. I'll post a request on the page's talk.
 * -Jci2297 17:37, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * -Jci2297 17:37, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Shadow Wolf
Hello, Jack. I was going through the recent edits, and I saw that a user had uploaded a photo of Shadow Wolf in the Legends and Killers promotional art. Anyway, it appears to have screwed it up, as they have duplicated. There is one picture in the gallery, another is under the infobox. I have tried removing the gallery photo, undoing this guy's edits, but I can't get rid of this second picture. Could you help me? Maybe it's a coding error or something, I don't know. Thanks. -xHobbes ( Talk - Contribs ) 11:51, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's gone. I just deleted it from the edit screen and no problems.


 * I got a Lucky Edit achievement doing it, too. Like I need the points... :D


 * -JackFrost23 16:24, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nice. I looked at the edit difference, and I feel daft. "Coding error", haha. I searched in source mode for 5 minutes, trying to deduce why that photo was there, and all along it was just at the end of a paragraph... Thanks for that, though. I wouldn't have figured it out. -xHobbes ( Talk ) 16:26, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I sometimes have a problem finding pics, too since some editors just dump the code wherever the cursor happens to be at the time the uploaded the pic (Maybe you noticed my "Yeah, just put that anywhere." quips in the comments). The best way I've figured out is to hover your cursor over the pic which will tell you the file's name, then do a search with the browser for the text string in the editor.


 * Cheers!


 * -JackFrost23 17:06, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Oh, and I think I've found another "Coding error" or something. On the Random Encounters page, the title for the Undead Nightmare section doesn't seem to work. Something's screwing it up. Once again, I tried fixing it, but I don't know. (I may have been the one who did it, as I only noticed it after I made an edit on the page. If that's the case, I'm sorry.) -xHobbes ( Talk ) 18:34, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * You were right, it was acting a bit screwy, but I finally managed to get it to code properly.


 * Cheers!


 * -JackFrost23 18:43, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Characters in Redemption
Hello again, Jack. I was wondering, you know how on the Characters in Redemption page, there are different groups? Well, I think there should be a "Criminals" or "Gang members" group. As of now, gang members are grouped in with random citizens. This "Gang members" group would also include bounty targets, because they are gang members. I just wanted to bring this up with you and see if you agree. Thanks. -xHobbes ( Talk ) 23:23, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, keep in mind that if you add a group you need to recode the navigational links (i.e. the one at the top of each character page that denotes what type of character they are and jumps to that group on the Characters in Redemption page) for each of the characters you move.


 * Also, I don't want the Bounty Targets added to the Characters page since they aren't really characters. With few exceptions, the player's interaction with them is limited strictly to capturing or killing them - and if the player kills them, they have no interaction at all. But if you still want to add them, be sure to give them their own group and don't mix them in with other gangs/criminals. Keep 'em separate...


 * About the gangs, personally I feel they should just be listed in Random Citizens or Criminals and give their gang affiliations in each respective article (which should be linked to each gang page) and on the pages for the gangs themselves list who the members are. Does this make sense?


 * But my big concern is making sure you add the names to the Character template that's on the bottom of all the character pages. I went through today and found several characters you added that didn't get into that template (no worries, I fixed them), which is why I bring it up.


 * And, despite my criticism, you really are doing a great job of helping me keep the character pages uniform - thanks.


 * -JackFrost23 23:43, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Right, so, if I were to go through with this, you want me to title the group "Criminals", recode the link (So it would be "Characters in Redemption#Criminals|Minor character", right?)


 * Correct.


 * Also, about the bounty targets, I think they should be included in this group, as they are still encountered in gang hideouts and can be found (if they are in Bollards Gang or Unaffiliated) in Thieves' Landing or in Armadillo (if they are in Walton's Gang). Either way, they still play roles in the singleplayer even after they are killed or captured. However, if you'd prefer, underneath the "Criminals" section I could add "Bounty Targets"? Is that what you want?


 * I'd still rather they weren't on the page, but yes, that's pretty much what I was getting at...


 * And I cannot say I understand what you mean by "character template" at the bottom of the page... Are you talking about the DEFAULTSORT thing? I think I've been adding that. If it's not working, could you tell me how to fix it? Or am I missing something else entirely?


 * I'm talking about this thing: http://reddead.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Characters ;)


 * Anyway, thanks for your input. No worries about the criticism, that's what you're supposed to do. I'm supposed to keep my articles and edits in uniform with other articles, and you are helping me do that. It's very appreciated. Thanks. -xHobbes ( Talk ) 00:18, January 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem. I still worry that I come off like some kind of authoritarian, tho'. :D


 * Cheers!


 * -JackFrost23 00:23, January 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright, I see what you're getting at. I know that template thing, and I've realized that I don't normally add it. Thanks for pointing that out. I realized that you were adding it, so I started adding it just a couple days ago.


 * I think I will add the "Bounty Targets" section, because they are characters and do play a role in some big parts of the game (hideouts, citizens, etc.) If you really don't want me to do it, I won't. However, I'll just add the "Criminals" section for now, and rearrange the characters a bit. We'll see how we feel in a wee bit, then we'll add (or not add) the "Bounty Targets" section.


 * And, like I said, no worries. I don't view you as an "authoritarian", I think that's a little exaggerated. You're an admin here, and just trying to keep things in order. Thanks. -xHobbes ( Talk ) 00:29, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Golden Guns
Hello, Jack. A user keeps adding "Golden Guns may have lost their popularity because of boosters obtaining it." to the Golden Guns page. I've removed it three times, he's added it four times. I feel that it shouldn't be on the page as there is no proof to back it up. There was no official word by Rockstar, no community survey taken. It's just an opinion. However, this user feels very strongly about it, thinking that adding "may" into the sentence justifies adding it, and has left a rather rude message on my talk page. Now, I feel this may also be the opportunity to inform of of the 17 Multiplayer challenges that were listed on the Multiplayer Challenges page, that this user created individual pages for. I have marked all of them for deletion. You may want to check these out. Thanks, and I await your reply. -xHobbes ( Talk ) 20:47, January 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * As far as I can tell the comment isn't there now. Did this get resolved?


 * - JackFrost23 16:16, February 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, problem resolved. - xHobbes (  Talk  ) 16:52, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Free Roam Characters
Hello, Jack. I noticed that someone edited the Free Roam page, characters section, to include zombies. This editor linked it to the category "Undead Characters". I fixed it by linking "Zombies" to "Multiplayer Characters#Zombies" so it would send the user right to the Multiplayer Characters page, zombies section. On this free-roam page, should I link all the factions like this? So Walton's Gang would go "like this"? I've left this message on Annonn's page too, I want both you guy's input. In the meantime, I am going to link "Damnation", "Redemption", and "Red Dead Revolver" like that, as they aren't on the page. I'm also going to re-arrange it so it's in the order it appears in in the outfitter. Thanks. -xHobbes ( Talk ) 16:49, January 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * So, do I have your go-ahead? Annonnimus agrees with me, but, regarding your comment earlier, I don't wish to continue without hearing what your opinion is. - xHobbes (  Talk  ) 21:27, January 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I took some time off for my birthday and I didn't come here except to post a few pics, so I was pretty slack on getting you a response. Sorry 'bout that...


 * So far it sounds like a solid plan, I say go for it.


 * And I was largely kidding when I posted that message about asking me my opinion. At the time I felt kind of weird getting into a conversation you and Annon were having, I didn't mean you needed to consult me at every turn. Sorry if that was implied. :)


 * - JackFrost23 16:21, February 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright, I'll head off and do that now. And you say you were kidding? Well, when I read it, it sounded pretty smart to me. You and anon are, pretty much, the only active admins here. This seems to me like I'm redesigning the page almost, a fairly large edit, and I thought you may want a say in it. I didn't know what you guys would say, because they will all link them to the same page, and I didn't know if that would be a problem.


 * No problem about being slack, it was your bloody birthday! Hope you had a good one :) - xHobbes (  Talk  ) 16:52, February 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I really was kidding, and I went back and looked the message I left and I realized I forgot to put in an emoticon to indicate I was just playing around. :D


 * And your plan seems pretty solid, so go for it. Any code that helps improve navigation is always welcome. :)


 * - JackFrost23 18:30, February 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It was based off your plan, for characters it would link them to the Characters in Redemption page, but more specifically, the group they were a part of. Thanks. - xHobbes (  Talk  ) 18:37, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Fixing the categorization
Hey, I started cleaning up some of the categories, but before I continue, I'd like to get your opinion on what you think the categorization for this wiki should look like, or if the categorization we have now should stay the same?

In my opinion, the categories on this wiki were well organized before achievements were activated, after that everybody just added whatever categories they thought belonged on the article to gain achievements, thus successfully destroying this wikis categorization. I would like to clean them up to make navigating this wiki much less confusing.

I would base the categorization of the Vault's categorization policy, since I know it's the best on wikia :). I might also partly copy it to create a new policy article for categories.

So, what do you think? --Anon talk 22:01, January 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry about not getting back to you sooner, I was a bum for the last 4 days as I took time off for my birthday...


 * I think you're totally right about the achievements screwing things up. Hell, I started finding edits were the person would remove the period of a sentence in one edit and put it back in another. That seems like achievement boosting to me, too - not that I could prove it.


 * Anyway, I like the Vault's policies so we should use them, too. But I also am a realist in the sense that we really can't expect people to adhere to a policy they have no intention of reading. I mean, the categories should be cleaned up, obviously, but how do we keep it from getting out of hand again? Perhaps we should have a page that's a list of available categories that's easy to peruse?


 * Hell, can we remove the whole achievement thing? I never really started editing because of the achievements but because I adore this game, so the achievements are really irrelevant to me and become more so as they begin to become a nuisance.


 * As I am all for making this wiki as easy to navigate as possible, I wholeheartedly am behind streamlining the categories.


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 16:53, February 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's alright, I've been keeping myself busy on other wikis during that time. Besides, everybody needs some time away from wikia (I just had some myself :D)


 * Now on to them boosters. When I suspect someone of achievement boosting I usually leave them a message explaining why I think they're boosting and point them to the &quot;achievement boosting policy&quot;, if that doesn't stop them, I block them. That usually works. But to make things easier, we could create a notice template for achievement boosting, which would work like the vandalism template, so we wouldn't have to type a new message every time we see a booster.


 * I know that people don't read the policy, and we usual don't expect them to, but just having a written policy that we can point the editors to, would be really helpful.
 * Also, there is a page that lists all the categories (Special:Categories), we could include a link to the page in the category policy.


 * Removing Achievements - We can request for the achievements to be disabled via Special:Contact, but in order to do that we would need a general consensus from the community, and we would probably need to personally invite all the people who appear on the leaderboard to have their say.
 * Another thing we could do is, disable the "add category bar" at the bottom of the edit window. This would make it much harder for a booster to add too many categories (they probably wouldn't know how to add them), but it would also make it harder for us to add them. But we could categorize everything properly and then request the "add category bar" to be disabled, so the new categorization would be preserved for ever and ever.


 * In my opinion, the biggest problem with the achievements is the inclusion of the "categorization badges", those achievements don't make sense and I can't imagine how they are helping on any wiki. The "blog achievements" could go too, I still don't have a badge for writing a blog and I'm proud of it :D.


 * P.S. Happy Birthday!!! --Anon talk 18:10, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

I found some time today to draft a categorization policy. Most of it comes straight from the Vault's policy, with a couple of tweaks.

Here's what I think the policy should look like:

Feel free to make any changes to the policy.

Also, I'd like to merge Category:Achievements and Category:Trophies into Category:Redemption achievements and trophies (also move DLC achievements to their own categories).

Let me know what you think. Cheers --Anon talk 17:28, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Man, I almost didn't see this! :D


 * At any rate the policy looks and I don't see a need to change it just yet, and I like the link to available categories at the bottom, that should help immensely.


 * I also agree on the Trophy/Achievement merge since they are just two different names for the same thing. And I think adding achievement categories for each of the DLC is a pretty good idea, too.


 * Is there anything you need me to do?


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 00:14, February 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Haha, I've missed a couple of messages in the past myself :)
 * I'll post the policy soon. After I'm done with that, I think I'll tackle the achievements and trophies and then I'll try to figure out how everything should be categorized (this might take a while).
 * As for you, you just do whatever you do best :D


 * Uh, oh. What does that mean? :D


 * - JackFrost23 20:27, February 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll let you know when I make a 'categorization scheme' so you can review it and then we can all start re-categorizing pages. --Anon talk 19:49, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Newspaper Characters
Hello, Jack. A user just created a page for Mollie Brannigan. She is mentioned once in the newspaper. That's bloody useless. I was thinking, rather than remove legitimate content from the wiki by deleting the page, or having 50 pages for characters that can only be described in one word, what if we had one page that listed all the characters mentioned in the newspapers that don't appear anywhere else? So, we'd have the whole Brannigan family, and the others mentioned in the paper, all in one neat page. You like that idea? Or would you prefer to have individual pages? I just think individual pages would clog it all up, you know? Anyway, get back to me on this with your opinion. - Hobbes (  Talk  ) 23:42, February 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * I prefer your idea to each character having its own page. I prefer character pages be left to those that we can actually get pics of or, like Nate Johns, say, exist beyond a mention in the newspaper.


 * I rolled my eyes when I saw that page by the way, and was trying to come up with soem way opf dealing with it - thanks for being quick about that. :)


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 23:52, February 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay. So, do you want me to go to the Mollie Brannigan page and move it to "Newspaper Characters"? I'll do that, and I'll add the Brannigan's and go through the papers for more characters. Or would you prefer to delete the Mollie page and I'll create a new one? It's up to you... If you want me to get on that, I will, but I'm watching Republic of Doyle with my mum, so you'll have to give me about half an hour. Thanks. - Hobbes (  Talk  ) 01:13, February 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Right, well, patience doesn't run in the family, and I apologize for not waiting for your response, but I'm going to do it the simple way: Mark Mollie Brannigan for deletion and then create a the "Newspaper Characters" page. Sorry again... - Hobbes (  Talk  ) 03:11, February 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't be sorry, you're doing a great job. :)


 * The only reason I didn't respond was because I didn't even see your last message. So I apologise for that... ;P


 * - JackFrost23 00:05, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Admin Status
The now 4 Admin requests that have not even been answered. I propose we have a community vot between the other admins to see which of these deserve it. We need to take action to greatly improve the wiki and I have noticed many of the current admins have not logged on in a long time and TNT does not answer the requests. Please contact your fellow Admins with this information. Thank you. ZERO 04:12, February 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sigh.


 * Dude, why is this so goddamned important?


 * To be perfectly honest with you, my becoming an admin really didn't change much about what I did/do here, so I'm not sure why you want it so badly. You can do just about everything an admin can do right now...


 * Frankly, buddy, your 244 edits really don't warrant adminship, y'know? I had literally THOUSANDS of edits before I bothered to even ask to be an admin - and even then I only did it because everyone kept messaging me because they thought I was already.


 * And then if one looks further into your contributions, it turns out quite a lot of it is your blog and talk page posts, which I'm not belittling, but they hardly count as editing the wiki, y'know?


 * Basically what I'm getting at is that your argument that you should be an admin lacks a foundation. Do you see my point?


 * I apologize in advance because I know this is going to piss you off - but try to keep in mind that I'm just being honest.


 * - JackFrost23 16:50, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Status in Character Infobox
I agree, the status line doesn't really add to much to the article, except for the spoiler. So I think we can remove it from the articles.

But I'm also thinking that maybe we should leave it on the articles for people who were actually dead before the start of the game and are only mentioned in the game (if we actually have any of those, I'm not sure). --Anon talk 18:10, February 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, the best way to remove the Status would be to eliminate it from the template, then it couldn't be used at all. But that wouldn't allow us to put in status for characters dead before the game starts.


 * Persoanlly, I don't think that's much of a problem, but what do you think?


 * - JackFrost23 00:03, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Vandal
75.2.208.130 vandalised the Red Dead Revolver page and added a section I like pie!!!!!!!!!!!!! I undid his edit but it seems another editor had completely deleted the Story Section leaving only the title or it was unpurposefully put there. ZERO 19:09, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Waffleless
For now, I'm going to assume that he didn't read my messages (probably just dismissed the the popup notification and didn't check his talk page), so I blocked him for 1 day and put a message directing him to his talk page in the summary. He should get the message now :)

I also responded to the message above, so check that out too ;) --Anon talk 19:49, February 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Let me know what happens when his ban is lifted. :D

Hi Jack, I am so sorry for the trouble I have cost you and the other admin, I hope you understand, I have also posted this message on anonimous talkpage, im so sorry...
 * - JackFrost23 00:17, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

I am very sorry for my actions and I beg for forgiveness. Fact is I never tried to do anything wrong, I simply didn't understand the talkpage, I didn't see the category editing thing, I guess I was absentminded. I only saw the "Thank you" part and thought you were happy with my edits. So im really sorry. : ( I really like this site and hope to do something positive, instead of putting the Red dead redemption category on pages, I will seek to remove it from pages that have already gotten the Redemption Weapons and such. I will never add it again. I am AGAINST achievement boosting and hope you will understand that I now see that I did wrong. Please forgive me, I will seek to remove the "Red Dead Redemption" Category from pages, as a sort of REDEMPTION.

Waffleless 20:03, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

-Waffleless (PS. I hope the signature works, I am still new to this wiki)


 * It's all good, man. You haven't screwed anything up, just made a teeny bit of extra work for Annonimus as you've re-added that category to pages from which he's already removed it. :D


 * I'm sorry you got banned, but we really needed to get your attention more than anything else.


 * At this point, I would wait for a little bit for Annonimus to publish the policy on categories (which will include a link to the list of available categories as well as rules on how to apply them) and then use that as a guideline.


 * This isn't a huge issue - it's not like you're vandalising the pages or anything - but cleaning up the categories is something Annonimus and I have been talking about for a little bit, so we wanted to catch you before you got out of hand.


 * I appreciate your apology and that you are willing to work with us to clean up the categories.


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 20:21, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

John Kelby Trivia
Hi, I noticed how you removed the trivia I added to the John Kelby page and I believe you had a good reason. I thought it was good trivia because I've seen similar entries on other pages. I thought I'd learn from my mistakes and someone more experienced and ask what I did wrong.

Sorry, forgot to add my signature.Sam samurai 01:01, February 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * The only problem with what you added is that the mission you were citing is part of the single Player campaign and John Kelby is a Multiplayer character. I have not seen a single instance where a character that shares a model in Single and Multiplayer has also the same name. So while that looks like John Kelby in that cutscene, the character's name is probably something else entirely.


 * Does that make sense?


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 20:14, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

That makes perfect sense. Thanks! Sam samurai 20:31, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Changing Jack's Pic
I have no problem with the change, for the reasons you stated ;) --Anon talk 23:14, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

RE:Changing Jack's Pic
I think that's reasonable. I mean, in the actual story, he's 16, so it makes sense to use a picture of him when he's younger. I also agree that John's grave in the background is a huge spoiler, and also having a pic of an older Jack is a spoiler to those who don't know he's the new player character. So, yeah, I agree with a change.

- Hobbes (  Talk  ) 01:21, February 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, alright, then.


 * I've got a new one up there. Does it look creepy the way he's smiling?


 * I think it looks like he posed for me to take his pic, personally.


 * Anyway, cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 16:21, February 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Haha, yeah, he does look a bit creepy. But hey, that's how he looks, right? I like it. Good job. - Hobbes (  Talk  ) 20:50, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Gallery
Hello, Jack.

Right, so I was perusing the activity feed when I noticed something. A user edited the gallery for the Annie Stoakes, Jack Swift, Pig Josh, and Ugly Chris pages. The user took a photo of the character from Revolver and another from Redemption and combined it into a sort of comparison picture, I guess. Essentially, the user took two photos that were already on the page and combined them, then re-added the "new" picture. I'm undoing this right now, I just wanted your opinion. If you disagree, I'm sorry for rushing this and feel free to undo my edits.

Thanks. - Hobbes (  Talk  ) 21:13, February 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, the comparison pics aren't completely worthless as it's pretty clear the character models between the two games are different, so the pics have relevance.


 * Maybe put those comparison pics (well, if they're not complete shite) into the gallery instead when replacing the original pics back in the articles.


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 21:31, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Congrats on 10,000 edits.
Hey man just wanted say congrats on the 10,000 edits. You must be proud of yourself and you should be. well done.

-DocOpusBrown


 * Thank you, sir.


 * I'm more astonished than anything else, I never realized I made all those changes! :D


 * The only thign I'd really kept track of was the number of pictures I've put on the sight, which I think still hovers around the 25% mark. So I hope everybody likes my screencaps since they're all over the place. :D


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 17:11, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * You've helped out alot along with the other admins. You deserve praise.
 * -DocOpusBrown
 * Post Script. i sent an administration request. can you check it out?
 * Post Script. i sent an administration request. can you check it out?


 * I could, but unfortunately I don't have the power to do anything about it. Someone above me has to grant you those powers.


 * And, no offense meant, but you're going to need a lot more than 45 edits to make admin.


 * I had thousands before I bothered to make a request, and even then, I did it mostly because people thought I was already an admin.


 * And you know what? It still took awhile before my request was paid attention to, so be prepared for a glacially slow process.


 * To be honest, you can do many of the things an admin can do right now, so I'd say concentrate on making necessary edits to pages and not worry so much about adminship. Show your work and i'm sure they'll be more apt to consider you.


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 17:56, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see.
 * Your right. i do need to make more edits. 45 edits aint going'a get me a nowwhere pardner.
 * I guess i should find some more photos to post. Don't hesitate to ask me to fix some stuff up. ill most likely be on wikia so feel free to ask me. Also i've noticed some vandalism around the painted quarter horse. Some contributer keeps speaking gibberish. heres an example of what he said. Word for word
 * "Why u delet my thin onesle i have no ida y u guys would do that" Translation: why did you delete my thing. honsesly i have no idea why you guys would do that'. What caused him to say that was my previous
 * action to delete his previous statement: "Horses have big dicks u guys huh any1 with me" lol, i wonder what kind of padded wall he has lol.
 * Anywho.
 * Thanks for your consideration. and good luck making 20,000 edits lol.
 * see you around.
 * -DocOpusBrown
 * -DocOpusBrown
 * -DocOpusBrown


 * Okay, Doc, how 'bout this:


 * Someone decided to create single pages for each of the Multiplayer Challenges and it's totally unnecessary. If you could go through those and incorporate them all onto 1 page and streamline the info, we'd appreciate it greatly.


 * I've been meaning to do it myself, but I can't be arsed at the moment, so since you asked...


 * Let me know. :)


 * - JackFrost23 21:23, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Birth, Death, Status
I've got no problem with the change, but it appears another user does, check out this revision.


 * Yes, well, he and I have had words on several occasions regarding his poor editing, so I'm not that inclined to be concerned that he edited the template.


 * I just took the lines right back out.

Also, congats on making 10,000 edits, I know how nice it feels when you see five digits in your edit count :) --Anon talk</tt> 18:01, February 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. :)


 * By the way, if it's as good as it looks, I'll probably be helping out on the L.A. Noire wiki, as well. :)


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 18:16, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

"Boss"
Hey, Jack.

Please, please, PLEASE help me out here. User:Kgman has just re-added "Boss" in the mission appearences to every character page. He did it a couple times yesterday, both signed in and as an anonymous. I warned both accounts, and he continued. I wouldn't mind if he only did it a couple times after I warned him, but he did it, like, 20 times. Please help me out here, it's a real pain in the arse.

Oh yeah, congrats on 10,000 edits. :) - Hobbes (  Talk  ) 23:03, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Trophy
I have no PS3 but I picked the picture here (I have a basic English, I can have some error. I try to learn something more with my edits in the Mafia Wiki where I'm administrator)-- 16:53, February 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, I got the rest of the pictures from that same page, it just doesn't show me the icon for Every Shot Counts.


 * Glad it does for you. :)


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 17:01, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Jenny in Undead Nightmare
Hey Jack, you think that Jenny could've been in Undead Nightmare?Quiet Man 23:33, February 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * I suppose she could, but only if we knew for certain that her faith didn't hold out and she actually perished in the desert. Who knows? When she began to really starve, she might've come to her senses and made it back to civilization somehow...


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 23:38, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Re: We Should Keep an Eye on This Guy
I left him a message about categories, and I'll try to clean up the ones he added. Cheers --Anon talk</tt> 21:43, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Blackjack Dealer
Hello. I am not entirely certain of his identity, although I may have heard him mentioning the name "Yeung" before while he was roaming around the saloon. I will double check this and see if I can uncover anything about who he is :)

If anything, we can put his pic on the Chinese Immigrants page infobox in place of Wong Bing's ^^

LyHungViet, 23:27 GMT, 25/2/11


 * Coo1, keep me posted.


 * Yeah, you're right, I guess I could put him in place of Wong Bing, especially since I made a better pic of Wong Bing for his own page (no offense meant, by the way).


 * - JackFrost23 00:02, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've definitely heard him mention the name "Yeung" before. I'm not sure if he's referring to someone else, or himself. If you want, we could make a character page for him under that name, and put in some info about him as a resident of Blackwater (I've got a few bits of trivia I could add). If not, then we can just leave him as a picture on the Chinese Immigrants page. It's up to you. I don't want to clutter the wikia with pages that could be considered irrelevant.
 * LyHungViet, 7:54 PM, 26/2/11 GMT
 * LyHungViet, 7:54 PM, 26/2/11 GMT


 * Let's wait until we have a little more info on him to give him his own page. You're right, let's not clutter the wiki.


 * Keep me posted if you find out anything. :)


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 17:39, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL, the fob Asian characters in Rockstar games are really pretty hilarious! And I should know, cause I'm Vietnamese :)
 * Still haven't found out any more info about the blackjack dealer, and I've been following him around the saloon for ages now :( My guess would be he most likely doesn't have a character name.
 * -LyHungViet, 3:14 PM, 02/3/11 GMT

Help!
Hello I need Your help!


 * Uh, you didn't sign your name, so I'm not sure who you are... :-/


 * - JackFrost23 17:39, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Hello sorry I took for ever to reply I was very busy.. and sorry for the no-signature message.

Ok now my concern is this: I made a page for the posse I'm in called The Mexican Locos Gang.

Now and then I have been editing it to put the IDs of new recruits, I'm the only one that does this. But recently someone made an wiki acc and started messing up the page. You can see all the edits he made, which are offensive and very inappropiate.

I'm asking you to help me resolve this problem with the user that is doing this. I haven't fixed the page completely so you can see other edits on the page he made. Please help I will appreciate it.

Thanks! =)

Leo leo 18:54, February 28, 2011 (UTC)Leo leo

Stubs, forums etc.
Hey, I was going through the stub articles - removing the stub template from the ones that are no longer a stub - and I had an idea. I thought that we could make a new stub category for Revolver articles (Redemption stubs can stay in the current category since there's too many of them to re-categorize). This would make it much easier for the users who played the first game to find the articles that need to be expanded. Currently, more than one third of all articles are in the stub category and the Revolver stubs are really hard to find in there.


 * That's a fantastic idea, mate. Since I haven't played Revolver, I don't write about it and it'd be nice to have them weeded out of the stubs. I'm not really all that keen on the categories (glad you are) and I never thought to use them in such a manner. Nice.


 * I'm glad you agree. I've seen a couple of Revolver players come and go, and I think this would make their work a little easier and help them stay for a little longer. Anyway, I'll create a template for it and update the articles as I check through the category.

Another thing I wanted to get your opinion on, is the affiliation we have with reddead.net, where our forums link to their site and in exchange, they link to our wiki. I was thinking about changing the link in the MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation so it doesn't automatically link to reddead.net but instead it would link to Forum:Index, and from there we can link people who want to talk about the game to their forums, but still host the wiki related forums here. This would make wiki related discussions much easier.


 * You know, I don't think I've ever used the Forum, so I don't really have an educated opinion. But it sounds good to me! :D


 * I have used the forums her only once myself (to display my displeasure with all the forums being directed to reddead.net :D), but I think we may need it in the future, in case we need to involve the whole community in a discussion about the wiki.

So what do you think about those two propositions?

P.S. I uploaded a new version of our favicon. Just wanted to let you know :) --Anon talk</tt> 00:35, March 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Forgive my ignorance, but what is a favicon? The pic you linked is a box that say "No Preview" in it. What am I missing?


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 06:37, March 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * The favicon is that little icon that appears before the address bar or before site name in tabs, here's a better link :) --Anon talk</tt> 21:36, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Yea annon helped me with the issue. But thanks anyways =)

Leo leo 19:11, March 2, 2011 (UTC)Leo leo

Re: The Favicon
But we do have a 'unique' favicon, those other sites' favicons are crap and our favicon is awesome :)


 * Heh. I wasn't criticising the quality of the icon, it was well-done, obviously, it just confused me a little because I also look at those other two sites occasionally and I'm used to them having the letter icon. So when we started doing it too I thought I was on another page. :D

But still, I made a favicon out of the badge, you can check it out (it should show up wherever favicons show up in your browser, here's a direct link just in case it doesn't want to show up) --Anon talk</tt> 20:32, March 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * So is that only active on your test wiki? Because now that I see it, I'm not sure it's all that awesome (sorry 'bout that). I wish there was an icon for Dead-Eye since that would cover the Red Dead part very nicely and it appears in both games. But, alas, there does not seem to be one...


 * - JackFrost23 20:48, March 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * The badge would look pretty good as a favicon, but unfortunately it had to be shrank to 16 pixels, and that doesn't look as good as it should :) --Anon talk</tt> 21:23, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Sock puppetry
I was actually thinking the same thing, and I would also add 24.250.210.147 as a possible sock puppet. I also checked out their edits on all wikis and it appears all three of them edit the same wikis (this one and the Mafia wiki) and their edits are pretty much the same.

Now, to check if someone's using multiple accounts, you'd need to contact wikia and ask the staff to perform a "CheckUser" on any one of them, also include any other accounts/IPs he may be using. They should get back to you with the results in two to three days. --Anon talk</tt> 21:23, March 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, I sent a message to wikia with the 3 user names, so let's see what happens.


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 17:07, March 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's finally sorted out :) --Anon talk</tt> 07:30, March 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Some people just don't learn :) --Anon talk</tt> 23:07, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Horserace challenges
> Hey, is there any way you could do everyone a favor and put all the racing challenges on one page?

Yeah, sure could. Since these were new pages and I'm new to the wiki, I was just trying to follow the format of some of the other multiplayer challenges that already existed (free roam, weapon, etc.) where each individual challenge category was broken out. Seemed a bit excessive to me, but I didn't want to mess with the existing format.

I'll work on consolidating them to one "Racing Challenges" page and will do the same for the "Stronghold Challenges" page I was going to create. I was also planning to make a "Gambling Challenges" page to move off the individual challenges that are currently listed on the Multiplayer Challenges page.

2ks4 01:09, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Jack's Picture
Hey man, the picture for Jack Marston looks kinda weird, so I changed it. Please don't revert it to the old version please. It would be appreciated.

Left by User:PlasmaBlaster


 * Not a chance. Additionally, the pic should show him in 1911 since that's what he looks like through the vast majority of his time in the story. And it only looks weird because he's smiling and you're just used to him with that scowl.


 * I have already left you a similar message on your talk page explaining why I changed it back.


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 09:11, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Delete
Hey Jack, I was hoping if you could delete my blog post "Favorite Horse".Quiet Man 11:27, March 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * As far as I know we're not supposed to delete talk page or blog material. :-/


 * - JackFrost23 01:56, March 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, sorry about that.Quiet Man 02:24, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

How?
Hello. How do you create the pictures like the one on the right? There’s no John Marston on it. Ziani15 Diskussion 21:53, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you. I appreciate your fast answer. Ziani15 Diskussion 15:24, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Archiving
I was just looking through some spacial pages and noticed that your archived talk page shows up right at the top of "Long Pages" and in "Uncategorized Pages".

May I suggest you rename it to "User talk:JackFrost23/Talk Page Archive June 2010 - December 2010", that way the archived page will fall under the 'User talk' namespace and won't show up in any 'main namespace' specific special pages.

Hope this makes sense :) --Anon talk</tt> 07:29, March 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Gotcha and done. :)


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 08:08, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

== RE:

So what's the point of removing sentences about anything sexual that occurs in-game? :/ do you admins get in trouble because of stuff like that? And why do you guys remove it? Please reply and thanks. Oh yeah, and i wrote a paragraph on the great mexican train robbery page and a admin removed it. : / ==


 * I didn't know this was occurring.


 * What page(s) are you referring to that had sexual content removed?


 * What was the paragraph you wrote about that was removed from the article?


 * - JackFrost23 16:31, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: oh sorry. :P i realized i wrote that paragraph on the wrong page. silly me :/

btw sorry i wasted ur time. March 12, 2011

Hello
I want to represent me, I'm the bureaucrat of the german Red Dead Wiki. Somebody said me you are the right person to contact^^. Well, we want to discuss something. Can we have an e-mail adress? I hope to hear from you. Gtaivfreak 08:19, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. You hear from me. Gtaivfreak 17:33, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Oh, Fiiiiiine...
I regret NOTHING! --Anon talk</tt> 23:00, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

P.S. I hate me too sometimes :D

86.136.51.136
This guy looks like a "professional" vandal (or he really sucks at editing), good thing you caught him early or he might have really made a mess here.

I'll try to check if he isn't doing the same thing on other wikis, and report him to the VSTF, if hi is. Cheers --Anon talk</tt> 17:08, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Sam Wah
No prob. That pic looks better than the one I posted ^^

LyHungViet, 12:42 PM, 12/3/11, GMT

I did!
I turned the flash off, but the light always was on the picture, because Alden Pearce wears a Marshal-Star. I’m sorry. ;) Ziani15 Wanna Talk? 21:33, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Please Stop
I don't think it's fair to accuse me for doing things "for no real reason"; I certainly try to make changes in a way that I think improves the text. I think you instead should assume good faith for newcomers like me. :-) Apparently, my esthetics is the opposite to yours in this matter &mdash; I think that it looks sloppy to include the whole possessive form in the link text, like someone didn't want to bother to do it properly. Actually, I just noticed that the General Diego example in the Manual of Style agrees with me (just a happy coincidence, though). But if you think that we should include "'s" in the link texts, that's fine with me. In that case, I guess we should change the above mentioned example and maybe also write some clarification about it.

(Anything else you would like me to stop doing? You chose a quite generic headline on my talk page.)

- Jrosdahl 21:34, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, we're good. I just reacted to the authoritative tone you used, which I think is inappropriate between wiki peers. For instance, I think that using "Please Stop" as the headline communicates an order (despite the "please"), not the beginning of a rational discussion. But I can understand that if you have to deal with lots of vandals, it's maybe hard to select an appropriate level. :-)


 * Um, not to be a prick and start an argument or anything, but I need to point out that I am an admin here, so we are not technically 'peers'. This also explains my 'authoritative tone'. I am generally blunt as a default because, in the past, asking people nicely tends to have them ignore the request. I am not suggesting that you would do so, but I have no real way of knowing that.

Now, regarding the real issue (and this is a discussion, not an argument): I don't think that one variant or another should be chosen just because it's harder (or easier) to write the markup. And I still think that it's strange to include more than just the name in the link text, especially when the link refers to a proper noun (that doesn't in itself include "'s", like McDonald's). If you compare with Wikipedia, you'll to my knowledge never see the possessive form in the link text (for a random example, search for "'s" in the Snickers article). You typically also don't include things like surrounding quotes, commas, full stops and such in the link text.


 * Well, if that's the 'standard' I think it looks kinda unprofessional. I dunno, it's just my opinion, though. :-/


 * Just like I think the mission names with white quotations around them looks odd, so I made the link text include the quotes. To my eye this looks better design wise, and we aren't completely locked into following the standards. ;P But I NEVER include commas, that looks crap, too...

But as I said, I'm fine with your variant; I'm just trying to explain my reasoning. Case closed from my point of view (unless you want to continue discussing, of course).

- Jrosdahl 20:12, March 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * - JackFrost23 23:33, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Vandal account
This user just signed up today and all edits so far have been vandalism against a posse page: User:YourGay (couldn't have guessed from the name, could you?).

Is there a better way to report vandalism to all admins at once or to flag the vandalized page? If it was a single edit I would have undone it, but I didn't see a way to easily undo multiple edits and I figured it might be pointless anyways until the user is blocked.

2ks4 05:39, March 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Blocked him and reverted his edits. Cheers --Anon talk</tt> 06:13, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Red Dead Randomness
Hey, Jack! I love your 'High Plains Weirdness' stories, they're hilarious! On that note, I just made a blog post about something funny that happened to me while playing the game. Would you mind reading it? I think you'll find it pretty funny.


 * Signing your post would go a long way to helping me find your blog to read it.


 * Just a tip. ;)


 * - JackFrost23 23:35, March 17, 2011 (UTC)