Thread:Wagwan piffting23/@comment-38834301-20191214035829/@comment-37973629-20191214104021

If you think of it from John's perspective, Bill did leave him to die. When John is shot off the train, all he would see of Bill is him continuing to ride. We don’t know whether Dutch got to him, but regardless, John wouldn’t consider Bill any differently, as Bill never reached him either.

It’s also true that, when Dutch went back for John, he went with Micah and Javier. Bill may have been like Arthur - too engrossed in what he’s currently doing to suddenly leave - but this doesn’t make any difference to John as he isn’t aware of the circumstances. Also remember that Bill did not volunteer to look for John, so technically he did leave John there.

I do agree that the standoff at Beaver Hollow is not the moment which is being referred to, but something else interesting happens here. In the caves, John says to Arthur: "Those bastards left me for dead", and Arthur responds with, "I guess that’s what they do now". In both instances, use of "they" and "those" indicate that they are referring to the gang collectively - including Bill. Arthur does not say that Bill didn’t leave him to die, and that’s arguably because it wouldn’t be true. Even though Arthur doesn’t go back because Dutch says he’ll go and rescue John, Bill is not told this and barely even reacts.

Regardless of whether it’s fair on him, Bill did leave John to die. Perhaps more importantly, from John's point of view, Bill is no different from the other gang members leaving him to die. I therefore don’t see any issue with continuity, as what John remembers in RDR is ultimately right: he got shot and was simply left there.