User talk:JackFrost23

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Intelligence
Thanks for the blog comment and the entry on my talk page. I loved the "spelling Nazi" comment on your user page. I game under the same name that I edit under, "Belegthalion". If you are a PS3 gamer then please feel free to send me a friend invitation. I love MP gaming with intelligent gamers. Have fun!!

"Cowards die many times." 20:51, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Wow
You've been doing absolutely brilliant work on the wiki! I have been meaning to comment to you for awhile now. It's really appreciated. I hope you keep it up. Cheers -- Tiktaalik 04:29, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Well Done!
You've done so much on this wiki Im amazed at how many edits you've done. Well Done!!! :)

TonyPrinceGTA

Hi
Hi Jack,

Long time no see, how are you.

I see you have been busy, keep up the good work. What platform are you playing on. ?

11:05, June 27, 2010 (UTC)indie180

You sure know these 2 games
Dang Jack, you know alot about these 2 games, and those screenshots you put up were preetty awesome.

You got a Playstation 3?

We should play some RDR sometime, my name on the PS3 is modernkiller93. But i gotta get online first, because i don't have the $ to get the cable/routher or whatever yet. Thesilentgun 08:28, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Scarlet Lady
Ok man, and idk why alot of Ps3 gamers ask you thier names, i guess alot of people like the PS3. Anyway, you heard of the scarlet lady? She's thst woman that appears alot on RDR stuff. She's the mascot of RDR i think, and i got a hunch. I think she either looks like the scarlet woman from Grand Theft Auto 4, or is the same woman but was given a old west makeover.

Its probably just a promotion character maybe abigail marston.

Vandalism?
Hi I am not 100% certain but I think someone just vandalized the Bolt Action Rifle page as all it has now on it is the achievements that can be earned with it and it does not seem that a Red Dead Redemption page should have so little info. I apologize if by the time you are reading it has been reverted but if not I felt I should inform someone.Foxtrot12 22:57, July 1, 2010 (UTC) Sorry I mistoke that you had rollback powers and was an admin feel stupid I thought you would be seeing you are number three on the wiki my bad. Just ignore itFoxtrot12 23:01, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Failure Conditions
I implemented the failure conditions in }}. Just remember put breaks when there's optional fail conds.--Blaff 60 10:51, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Re: I'm ok with that, your choice.--Blaff 60 13:07, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

Mission Dialogues
I'll be implementing mission dialogues in all walkthrough, then moving the walkthroughs to pages, well exception for the objective and fail conditions. I'll be forward to reply any opinions concerning about that.--Blaff 60 22:58, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

I Apologize
Sorry for that...I guess you're right about that, separating all the dialogues (i.e would be a good idea...--Blaff 60 20:54, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Dialogues
Good structure, I'll be working on it...--Blaff 60 17:29, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Is it necessary??
I'm answering a question in Talk:Missions in Redemption that, is it necessary to put 100% completion list on the page, since there is the main article?? I'm still wondering why...maybe you can answer or put some opinions on that question to avoid any arguments on that.--Blaff 60 16:10, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Bounty Hunter Pics
Thanks for adding the wanted posters for all those outlaws! They're still stubs, but they look more complete now. I'm curious, where did you find them?Rocket8808 20:07, July 13, 2010 (UTC)User:Rocket8808


 * No problem, the bounty hunter category works better anyway. Does this mean that the outlaw category no longer needs to exist? If so, I don't mind. The fact that all the criminals (bounties) reside on one category seems good enough.Rocket8808 20:31, July 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Why was that lest message so small?Rocket8808 20:32, July 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Because you put a space before the paragraph started and that makes the whole thing go wacky for some reason. I fixt it for you...


 * And I don't see any reason why Outlaws can't exist, tho' others might have issue with the fact that both categories are essentially the same thing. Your biggest problems could come from Blaff60 who tends to remove things he finds superfluous. If your category gets removed, please understand that was not my intention when adding 'Bounty Targets'.


 * Even tho I'm #3 or whatever, I don't think I own the place. :)

JackFrost23 20:40, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for staying
No problem, I'm really glad you chose to stay, and I really do think that we couldn't afford to lose you :)

--Anon talk 20:19, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism (in game)
I noticed that all of the story missions mention that the player will fail the mission if they commit vandalism. I was curious and checked out the stats in my game, to discover that I had 0 counts of vandalism. Might you have any idea what it is? If you do know, or know someone who knows, I think I might try it out. Thanks!Rocket8808 23:26, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * From what I understand, vandalism is kind of a rare thing. The only thing I can think of at the moment are the clay pots in Escalera that you've probably ignored up til now. If you break one just wandering around in the game you get a Bounty level, so I imagine if you broke one during a mission that would fail it for you. I think if you shoot streetlamps in Blackwater, that counts, too. And possibly lanterns in other locations...


 * I have to be honest, I haven't tried them to see what constitutes vandalism. I haven't looked at my count to see if I've actually committed vandalism.

Sorry if this didn't help much...

JackFrost23 23:42, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Missions
I always thought they were in quotation marks, not italicized. General consensus rules, though. -- CoD addict 08:09, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Which do you think looks better? Lemme know... :) --JackFrost23 08:22, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Technically, they really should be in quotation marks, but in reality, what we should keep is up to the community. -- CoD addict
 * Goddamnit, you're right.


 * I just finished the New Austin missions, and it even looks better. Thanks for the suggestion.


 * --JackFrost23 07:41, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Now they're all done, if you wanna check it out and let me know what you think. Cheers! -JackFrost23 22:41, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

pictures
This seems off topic, but do you know how to transfer a picture transferred from a youtube video into a saved file. I can only save it as a word document, and I don't know how to make it a save file (aka for adding to the wiki, or setting my background). Let me know, and if you don't, try to recommend someone who might.Rocket8808 21:09, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I don't have photoshop. Should I download it? Some links promise free downloads...Rocket8808 22:04, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks a bunch, this will look great. I just came across a really cool trailer for the game in which it shows Edgar Ross holding the High Power Pistol (favorite weapon, in case you were wondering). Also Ross is my favorite character (I'm kind of alone on that one...). Anyway, thanks again!Rocket8808 22:34, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Wanted Posters
They don't? If it's not too much trouble can you state which ones are wrong and I will either remove or replace them, because I'm pretty sure most are right, like Mescalero Mike, Shep Thomas and Billy Sanch

Oh that. Yeah I knew their NAMES are different but theyre the same character basically. So Ijust wanted to show who they were in single player and a nifty picture of them too. So yeah it should just be clearer I guess. Btw hope you dont mind me using your youtube trick for photos too. Alddous1031 01:31, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Alright. I guess I'll leave it up to the other people. If they want to take the posters off, I won't stop em. I'll let them decide.Alddous1031 01:41, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Whoa there!
Alright, Ill do the gallery thing and clean up the multiplayer pages I edited. Cause you asked nice =]Alddous1031 02:08, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, mate. If you need help, let me know. --JackFrost23 02:10, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * K done. Tell me if I miss any, but im pretty sure I got all of em. Alddous1031 02:14, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * K done. Tell me if I miss any, but im pretty sure I got all of em. Alddous1031 02:14, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Wiki Achievement Question
That's not something I can do. You see, the achievements aren't something the admins of the wiki can control, except for names, images and what achievements exist. Instead you'll have to contact User:Ausir and see if he can help you, as he's the one that actually works with Wikia. [[User:KristofferAG|- 18:57, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Icons
Putting the icons lto the left side of the page cause the page is to be unclear and messy, we need to find a place where those icons should be put.--Blaff 60 16:13, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

nice badges
hi, nice badges


 * "Badges?!


 * I don't need no steenking badges!"


 * :D


 * JackFrost23 01:02, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
thanks for editing many pages it has really helped me through the game

Skinnyryz 07:46, July 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * I appreciate you saying so. I'm glad I could help, I really love this game.

u r awesome


 * Why, thank you, my anonymous friend...

RE: titles
It's always been a rule. For example, the page "Harold MacDougal" is not called "Professor Harold MacDougal" because we don't use titles. However, I don't know what to do when the only thing we know is "Mrs." or "Ms." If you think it was better the old way, just move it back to "Mrs. Bush" and "Mrs. Ditkiss." I don't really care until someone can find their full names in the credits. Thanks for your concern, though. -- CoD addict · (talk) 00:45, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Revert
Why did you revert my change?

Not only does it not make sense that it would add up to 100.5% on the PS3, but I also just confirmed that completing Solomon's Folly doesn't add anything to the completion statistic.


 * Uh, that wasn't me.


 * I re-added the Beecher's Hope Safehouse (Jack's Room) back onto the page because someone had removed it. I don't know who removed your edit, but you can check the page history and find out...


 * JackFrost23 20:56, August 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * I did check the history. I guess you must've done it without noticing. Try to be more careful in future. - 81.109.18.32 22:24, August 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Nope, it wasn't me, I know I didn't touch whatever you added. In fact, I hadn't even read the text until you cited it.


 * This is the third time I've posted this link which shows that you did indeed revert my edit at the same time as you reverted an edit by another user. I seem to recall there's a strange 'feature' of MediaWiki whereby using the "undo" link will undo multiple edits if said edits are from anonymous users, hence the warning about being careful. Vandalism due to ignorance is still vandalism.


 * Vandalism?! You have got to be fucking kidding me. You've got some serious balls for someone who won't even register to the site. Posting your IP isn't a bright idea, by the way.


 * So allow me to throw an accusation your way: If you added what you did and at the same time removed Beecher's Hope Safehouse (Jack's Room) from the 100% Completion page, then, yes, I undid your edit. If indeed you were the tool who removed that safehouse, then you shouldn't have and I'm sorry that your other edit got caught up in my correctly reversing a poor edit.


 * If you check the page history, you can see my edit, and the edit by the "tool" who removed the safehouse are indeed two separate edits, so perhaps you should check your facts before throwing accusations around.


 * And so we're clear, this link shows the edit I reversed and your text is nowhere in sight. I have no idea why it says I touched anything else because the only edit I was reversing was the removal of Jack's Room. I'm sorry your text is gone, but I'm afraid it still wasn't me.


 * As far as my being more careful, I am a registered user and you are not, so I think you know where you can stick that, my anonymous friend.


 * -JackFrost23 22:37, August 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey, there's no need to be rude. :/ - 81.109.18.32 23:54, August 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * You really have no sense of irony, do you?


 * -JackFrost23 03:59, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. Turns out I had an account I registered ages ago. :-)


 * Then why aren't you using it?


 * Because I forgot I had it. It was from a different Wikia site, and it was a long time ago. Frankly I don't understand why you feel the need to be so hostile towards anonymous users.


 * Not all of them, just you (well and the actual vandals). And I think we both know how you earned my hostility.

I'll start again, as it's getting a bit too indenty for my liking. Here's the diff I was referring to:-


 * Yes, I'm sure you'd like to drop that last conversation as it was getting out of your control.


 * No. It was because it wasn't going anywhere useful. I was merely trying to point out a fact, and you seemed to want a flamewar. Sorry, but if you want a flamewar, try someone else. Similarly, I haven't replied to the more flamebaity parts of your last reply.


 * There is no flame war, just me throwing back at you the pile of shit you keep trying to hand me. And it's amazing how people who piss other people off on the internet tend to whip out the flame war card when the argument they started doesn't go their way.


 * I don't need to see your fucking edit page again, I know what it looks like. When I undid the edit in this link (y'know the one from the conversation you avoided up above?) the return page did not show that any other text was removed or added except for the code for Jack's Room. If all of those other edits had shown, I would've taken the time to make sure they didn't get deleted.


 * I do not carelessly edit articles and I don't know why those changes got attributed to me.


 * I already explained (twice) why those changes were attributed to you. I was expecting something more like: "Ah. I didn't know that. Thanks for pointing that out."


 * There was no 'explanation' just blatant finger-pointing. And apparently you didn't read the part where I mentioned that if your text was shown as being removed I would've taken steps to make sure it wasn't. I did not edit your code, perhaps an anonymous user did and then it got attributed to me because I was the last registered editor. Maybe it's one of those 'quirks' you keep mentioning...

What it looks as if you've done is rolled back to the version by The Cool Bear, but in doing so, you also undid two other valid edits, in addition to the one you were trying to revert by "the tool". I'll go back and add in the other one you accidentally undid.


 * No, you need to check the link I gave you so you can see it was a simple reversal of an edit by someone else (not Cool Bear).


 * I fully understand what you were trying to do. It's just unfortunate that the MediaWiki software has a few quirks which can sometimes get in the way of an editor's best intentions.


 * Yes, and I fully understand what you're trying to do as well. It's just unfortunate that the human brain has a few quirks which can sometimes get in the way of people with giant egos being able see their own shortcomings.

As I said before, I seem to recall a 'feature' of MediaWiki whereby if you click on the "undo" link, it will also undo edits by anonymous users prior to the one you clicked on, so it's prudent to check the changes you make with the "Show changes" button before you submit them. I apologize if my earlier comment about "being careful" sounded a bit rude, but I just assumed you were already aware of this.


 * So, you know about this and still choose to do edits anonymously? Why am I still even talking to you about this, then? Use your registered account ferfucksake.

I was really only trying to determine if you'd deliberately reverted it, so as to avoid a potential 'edit war'. - Aya42 14:11, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Dude, it's one goddamn sentence and you've turned it into a huge issue, so the only one I'm worried about starting an 'edit war' is you.


 * Sure. It's only one sentence this time, but were you to make a similar mistake in the future, you could end up doing far more damage.


 * Fuck you and your "this time". After over 3,000 edits you are the first to complain, so I really do think the problem is yours in this case. You know why? Because I'm not a careless editor like you're trying to insinuate... (keep this sentence in mind when you try and figure out why I'm being hostile)


 * Oh, and thanks for naming the person I was talking about, I was trying to keep that on the downlow so people had to put in some work to find out who I was referring to. And you give people a helpful link to that person, well done. I knew full-well who made the edit, I was just being a dick to you after your accusations rubbed me the wrong way.


 * Perhaps the lesson for today is to be less insulting to other users, then you wouldn't have to attempt to conceal the targets of your insults.


 * Perhaps the lesson for today is that you're a condescending asshole who thinks very highly of himself to the point where he thinks his shit doesn't stink.


 * If you wanted to know if I deliberately removed your edit WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST ASK ME THAT? I would've told you "No." and we could've moved on with our lives.


 * I kinda did, but you claimed you didn't remove it. Something which you've finally realized you were mistaken about.


 * No, I realize that you are mistaken - your whole diatribe is to try and pin blame on me anyway. Over one goddamn sentence of superfluous importance.


 * Or is your sense of 'being right' so overwhelming that you need to keep this going?


 * -JackFrost23 15:54, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Now that you (seem to) understand your error, and the potential damage you could unwittingly do in the future, my work here is done, especially as you seem reluctant to engage in a rational discourse. - Aya42 16:46, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Look, you clearly don't want to have any 'discourse', you just want to tell me that I made an 'error' and that I need to be more cognizant of your editing and let it end there. I have engaged you, you just don't want to deal with what I'm saying. If you find my terseness disconcerting perhaps you should reflect on the way you've been handling yourself here.


 * You've made 5 edits total (which includes re-adding your sentence) and you're lecturing me? What balls...


 * Your problem, of course, is that you fail to see that you had any kind of contribution to your edit being removed.


 * So fuck off you self-absorbed prick.


 * No, seriously, don't reply.


 * -JackFrost23 17:43, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

And for my own edification, one final response:


 * Lol. --Crowbar, resident grammar ninja 14:32, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * And one last thing to wrap it all up:
 * Epic BBQ Argument. -SoulWithin 09:53, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Epic BBQ Argument. -SoulWithin 09:53, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Epic BBQ Argument. -SoulWithin 09:53, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Epic BBQ Argument. -SoulWithin 09:53, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

I Really Thought You Should See This
Aya42 -

Against my better judgment I've decided to contact you because I feel this really needs to be brought to your attention.

Below you will find one of those infamous 'diff' pages, but this one is a little special. See, here's how it goes:

The only edit I've made to the Edgar Ross page in quite some time is to add a pic to the gallery. Now in this particular instance, I used the button that appears on the article page itself to add pictures to the gallery. This is important because it means I never edited the page itself.

But look how many things got attributed to me, none of which I could possibly have done from the quick add pic window:



So, I hope we can both finally agree that there is a strong possibility (100%, in my estimation) that I never had anything to do with your code being removed at all, but got credit anyway.

I don't expect an apology, but it would really help to better our relationship if you could provide one.

And keep in mind that you earned my hostility, but I'm not a grudge-holder...

- JackFrost23 06:13, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Admire
I just wanted to say that I immensely admire your support to this wikia, and that the wiki is lucky to have you. Thank you. --Crowbar, resident grammar ninja 20:42, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * I-I'm flattered. Thanks so much for saying that, I really needed it...

PS: In your avatar, at first I thought it was a cat with a kar98 or a didgeridoo. But I think I was wrong


 * It's kinda hard to tell, but it's an infant with a shotgun in his mouth (a real one from the looks). The rest of the pic I cropped out shows that it's Christmas morning, so I'll bet the gun was a gift for Daddy and more than likely isn't loaded. I found the pic on the internet, so I have no real clue as to the actual origin.


 * -JackFrost23 20:48, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * P.S. - I forgot to mention that you're doing some fine work yourself, there Crowbar. :)

Moving it...
Dude, you should move your admin request to here: Red Dead Wiki:Requests For Adminship. The difference between those two pages was for and For .--Blaff 60 16:08, August 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * If that's the case then the link at the top of the applications page needs to be fixed. I clicked on it and it took me to a new page. Lemme guess, you changed the name of the page without editing the link, too... ;P


 * -JackFrost23 16:12, August 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Fixed the link and moved my and Crowbar's applications to the proper page. Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 16:18, August 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, like I told Blaff, that was confusing, I really don't get why capitalization makes so much of a difference. Anyway, good luck.--Crowbar, resident grammar ninja 16:23, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

3fallout
Have you ever been really pissed of by someone, wanted to get them banned, but can't? Please, just look at 3fallout's contributions, what an ass. --Crowbar, resident grammar ninja 20:01, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, he seem to just be making comments as far as most of his contribs I've looked at. Granted I saw where he added a picture and just tacked it onto the end of a paragraph and some unnecessary trivia, but that's not ban-worthy, in my estimation.


 * I'm not saying you're wrong, just point me to some examples that are truly egregious. ;)


 * - JackFrost23 20:11, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

With pleasure. here, and His other side boosting Swearing and being a jerk after I said this to him: "Badges

No. No no no no NO! You will likely be banned for points boosting, please do not do things just for badges, again, persist, and you will likely be banned. Okay? --Crowbar, resident grammar ninja 18:34, August 5, 2010 (UTC)" --Crowbar, resident grammar ninja 20:16, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I can see your point on the boosting thing, but I can't get behind the swearing thing. Firstly, he just put the cartoon representation of swearing on your talk page, and secondly, I swear for impact, so I do tend to use it occasionally. Hell, check out the long argument Aya42 started with me because he thought I'd removed a sentence he'd added (which I didn't).


 * So, I'm the wrong one to come to about foul language being used. :D ;P - JackFrost23 20:33, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

I Apologize
Hello my name is 3fallout I am sorry for what I was doing I just thought that the earning badges thing was part of the wiki so if i did something bad i am sorry.


 * No worries, mate. The badges are part of the wiki, but you should earn them making necessary edits. -JackFrost23 23:10, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm... you didn't know, despite the fact that I left you two warnings on your talk page? Sigh... but I digress... --Crowbar, resident grammar ninja 23:11, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, Crowbar's correct, you really can't act like you were ignorant. - JackFrost23 01:55, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Did you see?
Yeah, perhaps, but I am still wary and will keep my eye on him. But you are right, I should probably be a little less harsh, it would affect things sooner. --Crowbar, resident grammar ninja 02:07, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

keep watch out for unregistered editors
i just cleaned two pages where people added teh word "sex" in every other paragraph, please stay on the lookout for more who will do the same.


 * Thanks for doing that, and I stay on top of what I can, but my being at the top of the rankings doesn't mean I'm an administrator.


 * I only see the pages I'm following...


 * - JackFrost23 19:44, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * ~Doc Holliday Hey guys just want to say thanks for the work and effort you've put into this page. Fight the good fight. Have Fun and Good Luck. psn= q_Doc-Holliday_p Hope to see on the range. 8)
 * ~Doc Holliday Hey guys just want to say thanks for the work and effort you've put into this page. Fight the good fight. Have Fun and Good Luck. psn= q_Doc-Holliday_p Hope to see on the range. 8)

RE: Thanks
Yeah, I was just defaulsorting all the characters and I came across "Bush". And I was kinda like.... Wait what? And Ditkiss just sounds wrong.... --Crowbar, resident grammar ninja 21:33, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

3fallout help
i dont know if you are an administrator but i just wanted to let you know that i made a mistake in the Savvy Merchant outfit

page and i dont know how to fix it cause i still need to get used to te editing stuff -(3fallout 02:30, August 7, 2010 (UTC))


 * I am not an admin, but even if I were you could undo your own edits.


 * Go into the history tab on the page you made a mistake and it'll show you a list of edits. Find the one at the top of the list with your name beside it and there should be an 'undo' tab for you click.


 * Voila!

ok thanks(3fallout 14:24, August 7, 2010 (UTC))
 * - JackFrost23 03:37, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Mission pages
Sounds good. I'll protect them all. (Sorry for the inactivity, I'm literally moving cross country) Thanks, -- CoD addict · (talk) 03:34, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Argh
Just like you, I have been cheated out of my "Pistoleer" badge... oh, well. It's not like it really matters. But still. Damn. lol -- CoD addict · (talk) 04:15, August 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * When I asked KristofferAG about it, he gave me this admin's name, User:Ausir, who apparently has some kind of control over the badge achievements. You should try and bring it up with him/her.


 * I ultimately decided not to bother trying to fight for it because I knew I was going to be at the San Diego Comic Con for a week and would likely lose it anyway. Something which ultimately happened because I didn't get a chance to log on except once, and that was just to leave a message that I would be gone... :D


 * - JackFrost23 04:52, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your hard work.
Some good reading. Doc Holliday 05:09, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

New Challenge!

have been reading some pretty good stuff. keep up the good work :P :)


 * Thanks very much. :)


 * Any specifics on what you liked in particular?


 * - JackFrost23 05:55, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Dixon crossing
He Jack i noticed today you have put info on the dixon crossing page.

This name is a reverr to Samuel Dixon who crossed several huge gaps and bridges on a highrope, with nothing but a pole to keep his balance.

maybe you can put that in to? (youre a much better writer than me)

anywayz do what you like GreetzSpazzacamino 17:37, August 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I'll have to do a little research before I'll do that, but also, 'outside trivia' like this has been targeted by some as being unnecessary information. I do not agree because I think at some level trivia of this kind kind of illuminates the influences that made it into the game.


 * If I can successfully lobby to have outside trivia on the pages, I'll consider adding your reference to Dixon Crossing.


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 20:49, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Gentlemen, Behold!
Sorry, I've gotten addicted to Harvest Moon recently, but yeah, I saw it, so basically it didn't work... right? Anyway, I'll remove any of those hidespoil tags I see... --Crowbar, resident grammar ninja 21:01, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'm back...
...but my internet is a little bit slower... >:D -- CoD addict · (talk) 15:54, August 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hope the move went okay. ;)


 * I've been changin' up all sorts of stuff while you were away. I even turned all the Strangers and their missions purple! :D


 * Anyway, welcome back...


 * - JackFrost23 16:03, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Vandals
TNT already got the first one, but I blocked the other for a month. Thanks for the report, and keep it up! -- CoD addict · (talk) 17:16, August 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * No prob. :)


 * - JackFrost23 17:26, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Dude.
What you did to the Stranger missions is awesome. It really relates the player to the missions better than having them all look the same. -- CoD addict · (talk) 17:19, August 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * I appreciate you saying so... :)


 * Yeah, I wanted those side-missions set apart somehow from the story missions, and it just dawned on me that I could change the background color. :D


 * I also changed all of the actual Strangers to purple as well, so they'll match their mission pages.


 * I'm at work at the moment, but tonight I'll probably finish all the rest of the locations without maps.


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 17:29, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to the team!
hey there, welcome to the RD wiki team. If you have any questions in which ways we (the admins) warn vandals, and how long blocks generally are, or anything else concerning your newfound rank, please ask me. I'm here to help Lordofthelargepants The Zipper and The Pockets 09:51, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Congrats
Congratulations on your promotion. --Crowbar, resident grammar ninja 17:28, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Congrats...
...on becoming an administrator. You've been a great help to the wiki. -- CoD addict · (talk) 21:36, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

RE:?
I dunno.... I just thought the pink looked really ugly.... and I didn't think that there needed to be a strangers userbox. But whatever.... meh... I just woke up. --Crowbar, resident grammar ninja 19:52, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Heh. :)


 * If you're seeing pink, then you might need to adjust your monitor because the color is actually purple, the same color as the question mark that appears on the map showing their location... :D


 * The only reason I MADE the stranger infobox was so I could change their color. Otherwise just change it back to characterbox and the colors will revert. The background color is the only difference between the two templates (made for easy editing that way).


 * I wanted them to match their Side-missions (which are also purple) and set them apart from other characters in the game since they aren't major characters giving and involved in multiple quests, but they aren't minor insignificant characters either...


 * Please let me know if you get any negative feedback on it, tho. I have had a couple of people, including CoD, think it was a good change, but consensus rules, of course.


 * Cheers!
 * - JackFrost23 20:04, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Handy....
I made a template for admins, this would be handy for us esp. pages needed deletion/merging, if you want to add it to your user page or not, just contact me...--Blaff 60 22:13, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, it is a cool picture, but it's not luisa. It's just an NPC and multiplayer character Arlene Dunn

Thanks

Re:Handy
.--Blaff 60 10:15, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Hi
Woops on my part, in the trailer, they had a montage of NPCs swell as luis a telling John Marston that she is not afraid to die. Her character skin can randomly be seen throughout Mexico, and in outfitter, misc women, she is the fourth one along.

when I first saw the trailer I thought it was luisa too until a paused it.

Cheers

Pages creation
The only way to do that is to make a page of that name, and lock it, sorry. If the anons keep doing that, block them for a while. And there is actually a forum, an in-wiki forum, but then again, the links were removed, and I forgot what they were... i'm going to ask Ausir (wiki helper) how to. Let me get back to you on that Lordofthelargepants The Zipper and The Pockets 11:02, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Character: Espinoza
Why is Espinoza a minor character? He is relevant character in Mexico Chapter. Minor characters are only characters that appear one or two times in story and have no importance. I think he should be a supporting character. Thanks Imperial Guerreiro 10:31, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Character: Espinoza
Why is Espinoza a minor character? He is relevant character in Mexico Chapter. Minor characters are only characters that appear one or two times in story and have no importance. I think he should be a supporting character. Thanks Imperial Guerreiro 10:32, August 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Firstly, the place to make the argument about a tier change is ON THE DISCUSSION PAGE FOR THE CHARACTER.


 * Secondly, this argument should be made and agreed upon by at least some other registered user BEFORE THE CHANGE IS MADE.


 * Thirdly, when editing the characterbox at the bottom of the page - TRY TO RECOGNIZE THAT EACH LIST OF CHARACTERS IS IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER. Do not just tack Espinoza onto the end of the list, put him in the proper place.


 * When these three criteria are met, I will agree to stop undoing the edit.


 * I just recently downgraded Norman Deek from supporting to minor using this exact method.


 * Hope this helps and no hard feelings, I hope.


 * Cheers!

- JackFrost23

Ok. I am sorry for my mistakes. I´m new in this wiki so forgive me. But i have now put my argument on the talk page! Thanks!Imperial Guerreiro 11:23, September 9, 2010 (UTC) 10:53, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Mr. Frazier
I suspect our attempts to repeatedly correct Landon Ricketts' name has P.O.'ed whoever keeps making it Landon Frazier; my user page has been editied with a statement indicating that I participate in homoerotic activities and an entire paragraph reading "I am Landon Frazier" over and over again.

I love it when they learn to use the cut and paste function. EmceeGrath 20:23, August 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I blocked him.


 * I assume you were able to restore your user page?


 * I really don't know why people waste their time with this crap.


 * - JackFrost23 20:44, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Hey
Hey, can I file a complaint on another user?

-Hoff0320xz


 * I suppose so, what seems to be the problem?


 * - JackFrost23 04:49, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * It may not seem that serious but Phantom Stranger said my revision was 'retarded' and I was a little offended because my brother is retarded. Can you do anything about it? Hoff0320xz 04:52, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * It may not seem that serious but Phantom Stranger said my revision was 'retarded' and I was a little offended because my brother is retarded. Can you do anything about it? Hoff0320xz 04:52, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks man, I appreciate it. Hoff0320xz 05:03, August 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have asked him to refrain from using the word in his edit comments.


 * However, in his defense, I'm certain he was just using it as an adjective and not as a direct epithet to your brother. I'm sure he didn't mean any offense and I'm hoping there will be no animosity between you.


 * Let me know if you do not find my response to this problem satisfactory.


 * - JackFrost23 05:05, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm just glad you said something about it, thanks Hoff0320xz 05:07, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm just glad you said something about it, thanks Hoff0320xz 05:07, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

hi, I'm sorry about the changes, I'll Talk to the administrators first before doing anything major. I've just been doing a lot of comparisons between tiers and sometimes I find a characters have different information on different pages. I'm sorry about the links too, I've been in a bit of a hurry which isn't a good way to work. I try to touch up any mistakes I find. thanks for telling me anyway it's a much better system.

Cheers!

Ideas
I think just Marston's family and Dutch's old gang being the major characters. As for a new Tier, All I can think of if possibly something like, Assisting characters or Semi-Major Characters or even preliminary characters.


 * There is no way that Edgar Ross is anything less than a major character, and I throw Fordham in because the two are inseparable.


 * But now I realize that Ross is a mission giver, so by the new tiers he'd be a Central Character, just like Jack, Abigail and Uncle.


 * How 'bout this for the Tiers:


 * Major characters: John Marston, his old gang, Edgar Ross, et al. - the characters that are the reason we're even being told this story, essentially...
 *  Central characters : The mission-givers
 * Supporting characters: All of the other characters who have a decent-sized part but do not give missions, like Espinoza, Eli, Jonah, etc.
 * Minor characers: This one's easy, and yes I think Strangers should be considered minor still because the player does not have to do the Stranger missions at all to complete the game (barring the player's desire for 100% Completion, of course).

also do you think that all characters who give stranger tasks should be miner characters, because some are encountered quite frequently. Or are characters organized in tiers due to their relevance in the story.


 * Whups, I think I answered these above... xD

On a side note, the user irishcowboy1911 has been causing a few problems to articles such as removing necessary information, breaking links, and messing with the layout of the page.


 * Yes, I've blocked him once already for doing similar edits. I have reversed several of his changes and re-edited some others.


 * I have given him a fair warning about being more conscientious about his edits. We'll see where it goes from here...

Cheers!


 * Indeed.


 * - JackFrost23 15:58, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Tiers
The name central characters is a perfict name, Personally I think Jack should be a major character as he is the second protagonist of the game, but I see your point. As for characters like colonel Allende, he is Not technically the mission giver as he gives them through Captain De Santa. should he Be a central character or supporting, he does have a larger impact on the story than De Santa.

I think were defiantly on the right track.

Cheers!


 * Then Central characters it is. :)


 * While Jack becomes the main protagonist for the very last side-mission, when he's a mission-giver and part of the main storyline, he's still a teenager. So the Jack we get to play has very little to do in the story.


 * Oh, for sure Allende is Supporting, as is Espinoza and several others now that we have a new division, several characters can get upgrades from minor to supporting.


 * Oh, and I think we should leave all the characters on the same page and divide them by sections instead of creating a separate page for each tier.


 * Gimme your thoughts.

- JackFrost23 15:17, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

sounds good to me, personally I think Allende should be a central character as he is the cause of the revolution, which all of John Marstons missions relate to, but I guess he would do okay is supporting. We can delete the Major, supporting and miner articles and organize them all into 4 subheadings. nearly there but just one more question. Should bounty targets be considered miner characters? also all the named characters which Marsron interacts with in minigames


 * I don't think so. I think Bounty Targets are a special class of character because you don't interact with them the same as the story characters (you just apprehend or kill them) and they aren't really a part of the story. I'm not saying we shouldn't have pages for them (we do last time I checked) I just don't think they should be considered story characters.

Like poker, arm wrestling, duels and five finger fillet, Should they be put under miner characters or just not mentioned at all?


 * Yeah, same thing with game players as with Bounty Targets. Unless they also have a role in the story other than just being someone you find at one of the tables. And, again, I think they should have character pages (so should all the duellists), I just don't think they're story characters.

cheers!


 * Yes, cheers! I hope this makes sense. Let me know what you think...


 * - JackFrost23 16:27, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmation
sounds like it's all ready to go ahead, I don't have the power to delete pages so I'll leave to you. Can I just ask should there be an article for non story charters? Because they do have pages and it is good if there is a portal to access them. under the miners characters section we can make sub sections for stranger tasks and story missions. Also should shop keepers be considered non story?


 * Oh, absolutely they should be listed. In fact, we can still put them on the characters page, just not list them with Major, Central, Supporting or Minor characters since those designations should be reserved for characters in the main storyline. We'll just add sections for Bounty Targets, Duelists and Gamers.

just give the word when we can make the changes.


 * Lemme go through the list and try to organize the characters first 'on paper'. That way I we can see any potential tier problems before we go changing the articles.

Cheers!


 * Indeed.


 * - JackFrost23 17:11, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Dargh
http://reddead.wikia.com/index.php?title=Bear_One_Another%27s_Burdens&diff=prev&oldid=86699 Jack.... So now we aren't supposed to delete the periods like I have been doing? Even though they are items in a bulleted list? I am confused. --Crowbar, resident grammar ninja 15:59, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds like a good Idea, I'll leave you to it! :)

Fliping
I think thats a good Idea by swapping the names central and major. Is Edgar Ross still a Major/Central character along with Johns old gang? Personally I thinks there might just be too much of a spread between supporting characters like from Allende the most powerfull man in Nuevo Paraiso. Who is seen or mentioned in every singly mission in the chapter, to Raul Zubieta an army officer who Marston duels and just happens to have a name. Is their a way we can separate those characters?

Cheers!


 * Of course we can keep Zubieta as a minor character - I just overestimated his importance when doing the list for you. But he whole point of my showing you the list was for you to point out stuff like that. So if you see any other characters I may have given too much importance to, or that need to be promoted that I missed, let me know.


 * I also have some specific code in mind to place on the character pages that will link back to the character list and to the proper section. I can give you the code and then you pretty much just have to cut and paste it on whichever characters you edit.


 * We are nearly there. :)


 * - JackFrost23 21:29, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

blocking
Wait, I forgot to tell? I thought I told you. Apolagies for the oversight, but you get the drift. Lordofthelargepants The Zipper and The Pockets 21:47, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Looked at your block template. Protected it. Remember to protect those kind of templates from vandals especially Lordofthelargepants The Zipper and The Pockets 21:49, August 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Whoops! Thought I'd done that. Thanks - JackFrost23 21:51, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Character pics
I hope it will, 'cause I didn't want to waste my time adding those pics, I wanted to help. - KibolLP_97

Code
cool, what's the code?


 * Still formulating it, I'll get back atcha soon. ;)


 * Then we can start the changes.


 * - JackFrost23 22:41, August 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * P.S. - It will be similar to the code I did for the mission flow section in the info boxes of all the mission pages.


 * - JackFrost23 22:46, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

sounds good, hear from you soon.


 * Hey, just checking in with you so you don't think I'm blowing you off. I'd started on cleaning up the achievements/trophies pages before this came up, so I've been busy with that.


 * However, I wanted to ask you. How do you feel about the way the character pages have their backgrounds hidden? Personally, I don't care for it because the hide box messes up the page layout often leading to huge blank spaces on the pages, and having the spoiler tag in the middle of the page is just ugly.


 * I want to remove that code and just have the background info displayed. If we put the spoiler tag at the top of the page it pushes the info down a little further so a reader has to scroll to get to it. And once they do, they've voluntarily decided to risk spoilers.


 * I'm all behind not spoiling things for people, but I'm also of the opinion that if you're going to peruse a game guide, you've got to expect some kind of spoilage.


 * Basically, the reason I'm asking is that we could make that change at the same time as making the edits for the tier changes.


 * Let me know your opinion, if it's in alignment with my own, I'll lobby Blaff and Crowbar (who are responsible for it being there) to see if it's okay if we remove it.


 * Sorry if this is too wordy and if I seem to be dragging my feet.


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 17:10, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Hahaha
I saw all those files you uploaded, and I just passed them off as normal... until I realized that they all had the same filename. --Crowbar, resident grammar ninja 20:10, September 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the fuckin' pic refuses to update. No matter what I do it still displays the old file. And when I try to update the file again, it shows the one I want to display in the file history only. If I try to revert to the one I want, it taunts me by continuing to display the old file while showing me the one I want in the history.


 * I even deleted the whole pic and started from scracth, but the old, crappy version still persists. I'm stumped...


 * - JackFrost23 20:28, September 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm.... for now, just upload it to imageshack/photobucket etc. and put that in the page. Just temporarily though. --Crowbar, resident grammar ninja 20:42, September 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * The only problem with that is that I NEED to update the pic because it's on over 100 pages already, so a manual change is really out of the question. So if I use my Imageshack acount for it, it might be right on that one page, but it'll still be the old file everywhere else... :-/ - JackFrost23 20:55, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Picture won't change
This appears to be a wikia wide problem, it happened to me yesterday on a different wiki.

I think you should contact wikia and report this problem or just to get answers. --Anon talk 20:31, September 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Anon. I have written them, but I don't expect much. I haven't had good responses from support for any site, to be honest. They seem to want to try and pass off problems onto the user. That somehow I'm the one who's in error...


 * Like when I asked R* to explain the discrepancy between the game stats that say there are 17 locations in West Elizabeth, but if you count them in the game and on the R* Social Club map, there are only 15.


 * The response I got was to go to the fansite called Red Dead Wiki for more information. :D


 * I have yet to receive a response since pointing out that I am an editor here.


 * - JackFrost23 21:39, September 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * They'll probably write something like "We're working on it" without an explanation of what is wrong.
 * Let me know if you get something from them, I'm always curious about this stuff :) --Anon talk 22:31, September 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, they did just as I suspected and gave me instructions to do things I'd already done before contacting them (see, the problem is me, right?). So I responded that I'd already tried everything they'd they'd advised, and put in a bit where I asked if there was some way they might be able to check to see if the problem is on their end.


 * Silence so far, but I'll keep ya posted.


 * - JackFrost23 22:45, September 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * I also sent them a message just now, but from another wiki. Maybe if they get a bunch of messages from all around, then they'll get to work :) --Anon talk 13:30, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Here's the message I received:
 * "Hey,
 * "Hey,


 * Thanks for letting us know about this. It's actually a bug that's been doing this to images across Wikia. Right now it's one of the highest priorities for our technical team, so they're working to fix it ASAP. Thanks for your patience, and feel free to let us know if you need anything else!


 * Best regards


 * Brandon Rhea"
 * So it should be fixed "soon", which will probably take a couple of days :) --Anon talk 17:29, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * So it should be fixed "soon", which will probably take a couple of days :) --Anon talk 17:29, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Anon. ;) - JackFrost23 15:56, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

spoilers.
Personally I don't think background info should be hidden. If people want to be completely spoiler free, they probably wouldn't be looking at this website in the first place.


 * My thoughts exactly.


 * I think a lot of effort is being made to make sure that a reader doesn't see any spoilers, but once they start scrolling they're on their own.


 * I've had to reverse another edit today that wouldn't have happened if the background info weren't hidden. So, if you intend to help me edit the characters for tiers, one of the things we have to do is remove the code that hides the background info and move the spoiler box to the top of the page. So, keep this in mind in case I forget to mention it again.

Can I also ask why it's necessary under interactions to have the "Hold it right there outlaw!" as well as the spoiler alert box as the template sometimes merges with other templates and it would be a bit cleaner without it. I also think that it should say what tier a character is under.But that's only my opinion.


 * Yeah, we'll be changing that.

Sorry for clogging up too much here but can I also ask something else? All the characters which have their own wallpaper with the quote next to it, were given that picture as their main article picture. I thought it was pretty good as they were pretty cool pictures. but now, some of them are replaced with old pictures of very poor quality and it doesn't look very nice, Was that supposed to happen?


 * Well, anyone can edit the wiki, right? So it goes for the pics. Personally, I like the uniformity where the characters have square pics and the missions and locations have widescreen pics, but that's just me and my design aesthetic. But, bottom line: if you want another pic up there, change it. But others also have the ability to change it as well. So it could get reverted. If it gets changed too often one of the admins will have to step in to find consensus.


 * If you do not like a change, you have the ability to undo it. Just be sure to say why you did it in the description thing.


 * And no worries on how long this has gotten - we're actually having a discussion - something I can never get out of most people who edit here. :)


 * I've been trying to get Wiki to admit they need to check their servers about pics not updating correctly so I can finish the Achievement stuff, but my next project after that is the characters. So probably next week sometime we'll start in earnest.

Cheers!


 * Indeed, mate.


 * - JackFrost23 16:15, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Alright
my computer is not very good with picture files so it's pretty difficult for me to upload pictures but at the end of the day it doesn't matter too much. talk to you in about a week. Till then, Cheers!

Just saying hi
Nice work contributing to the wiki man! You've done well! RedMarston 16:28, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for noticing. :)


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 18:25, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Logo vandalism
Hey, this guy has vandalized a couple of pages with two accounts (User:Kutkopspambot and User:Kutkopspambot2)

I reverted all the vandalism, but you'll need to visit File:Wiki.png and delete the logo he uploaded, and while you're at it you might protect the image so it doesn't happen again. Cheers. --Anon talk 18:42, September 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Also I reported him/them on the VSTF wiki so he should get a global block. --Anon talk 18:57, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Vandal
Got another one for ya. --Anon talk</tt> 02:47, September 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thnaks, Anon. Got 'em both. :) - JackFrost23 02:51, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Tip for flower hunting
dont know if your the right guy to talk to but you seem to have the most edits among all mods on the site so maybe you can help.

ive been using this site to help me out while playing and one thing ive yet to see mentioned on any of the tip sections for the flower pages is that you can actually press Down on the D-Pad repeaditly which zooms in and out your map and an icon will appear for any near by flowers, they normally dont show up on the in game map without doing this or if they do they tend appear and dissapear in a split second, but if you keep toggling the zoom it forces them to show up if theres any around you.

plus you can cover alot more ground doing this on horseback since you just have to focus on the map for icons, rather than moving slow and physically looking for flowers in the grass.


 * Interesting. I didn't know about the D-Pad thing. It's very low on my priority list, but I do plan on doing some organization of the flower pages and I'll definitely add that.


 * It's amazing the things I'm still finding out about the game. someone last night hipped me to the fact that you can press 'Y' in the journal entry to get more info on a particular challenge. also, I need to add a section on how to surrender to the law, which also is not on here anywhere.


 * It is a work in progress, after all. ;) Thanks for the note.


 * - JackFrost23 01:07, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Reverted edit.
Why did you revert my edit to the Trophies/Achievements page? I was making the list  more  accurate. How is that not good for the Wiki? Juicestain09 21:15, September 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Honestly? Because it looked like crap with all the lower-cased letters - very unprofessional, actually.


 * We're not necessarily trying to make it 'accurate' to one system or another, so the change was a little unnecessary. Because while they may be lower cased on the PS3, they are not on the XBOX360 so you've made it inaccurate for XBOX players. The page titles go by the way you should capitalize words when they are part of a title (tho some here still don't know much about that either) irrespective of one system over the other. The fact that it happens to coincide with the way XBOX spells the achievements is coincidence.


 * And the Legendary Achievement wasn't added until the Legends and Killers DLC, which is why it's with those. Y'know, so it's accurate and all?


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 21:35, September 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, first of all, there is no need to be such a jerk about all this. I probably could've been nicer in my original message, but geez...you're an administrator, represent the Wiki a little better.


 * It makes one wonder whether you found out I was an admin before you restored those poor edits without waiting for my response to your question about it, or after you didn't like my terse response to your restoring your poor edits.


 * I'm betting on the latter.


 * And what makes you think that my being an admin means I'm supposed to be nice to you?


 * Second of all, why would you not want to make an article accurate to where it was pulled from? I realize that in this case the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions are different, so it should be accurate to whichever version appears most professional. That makes sense to me. And on that note, I didn't know the Xbox 360 version was different. If I had, I wouldn't have worried about it. I just assumed they were the same. I talked to Ausir earlier about the capitalization issue and he said that according to Wikia, all titles should be appropriately capitalized. But in this case, the actual topic title includes uncapitalization, which to me still seems like "appropriate capitalization" due to it being the actual topic title.


 * Okay - Then why not follow that line all the way through? Why not change the page names to the titles you want them to be? Because those would still be 'inaccurate' they way you did it. The link would have the lower-case letters, but the article title would have upper case. So they wouldn't match.


 * Is that what you consider 'better for the wiki'?


 * I'm sorry, but I just don't agree.


 * Lastly, I never removed the Legendary achievement/trophy from the Legends and Killers DLC section. I simply moved it to where it is displayed in the actual PS3 trophy list. This was to be accurate with the whole "sorted in the same way as the default PS3 trophy list" as is said at the top of the article.


 * Yes, that was my mistake and I apologise. It looked as if you'd moved it into another section, but I was just reading it wrong.


 * But I will have to point out that the order in the columns is somewhat irrelevant based on the fact that there are tabs at the tops of each column that allow the reader to reorganize the table.


 * So settle down, pull back on the disrespect, and try to understand.


 * As I'm sure you're not aware, but I've spent the last week or so doing clean-up on that page and all the pages linked from it.


 * Going through and finding how many things conflicted simply because one editor plays on a PS3 and another plays on an XBOX was pretty irritating. For instance, the name of the page has been changed multiple times and at one point it was changed from Achievements/Trophies to Trophies/Achievements (which it is now). This edit could only have been done by someone who plays on the PS3. I tried to compromise by having the articles then say achievement before trophy, but I don't know how long that'll hold.


 * So, after sorting all of that out, to have you come in and undo things I'd just done to 'make it accurate', and then have to restore those edits without waiting for a response to why I reversed them was kind of incensing.


 * I hope you can see why my second message to you was a little hostile.


 * --Juicestain09 02:30, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * - JackFrost23 15:24, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * P.S. - I'm the one who changed the colors of the fonts for Bronze, Silver, Gold, etc, and I chose metallic gold when I did it. So please don't get all butt-hurt when I change it back from that yellow that you put in instead.


 * But bolding everything was a good choice, I'm stupid for not thinking of it myself...


 * Cheers! - JackFrost23 15:24, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

WTF!!!!
how many things have you edit????????!!!!!


 * Uh... thousands of things, I suppose. Why do you ask? - JackFrost23 21:18, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Character changes
Hi, it looks so much better.

I just think that their's the odd character a little out of place, let me just investigate a bit so I can get details.

Also, isnt Edgar Ross supposed to be the other central character, as if it were not for him, John Marston would be living a happy life with his family, instead of hunting down his former friends? I also think also think I should divide miner characters even further. I'll check back with you soon,

Cheers!

And Ross wouldn't have to bother with John, Javier, Bill or Dutch if they never formed a gang. So he really only comes into play right as RDR is beginning.


 * And if you're going to change things, be thorough, remember that you need to change the character template at the bottom of the page and try to keep the text of what tier of character it is linking to the character page and jumping to the tier in which the character resides. Check out my code for it in one of the pages - I still haven't finish minor characters yet, though.


 * Now, I'll have a look through all of your edits.

;P


 * - JackFrost23 17:33, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Nevermind. I give up.


 * Do what you want.


 * - JackFrost23 17:36, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Hi,I'm having a bit of trouble understanding what your saying?

I'm only about halfway through the organising the characters, can you please tell me what you mean?

Cheers!

I'm also going through all characters formats, so it goes Background, Interactions, Mission Appearances, Quotes and in that order, then I'm going to make sure all the info is correct.

sounds awesome, have fun. - JF23

Hi! I just created another character page, and I accidently added it to the 'People' section. I'm not sure how to remove this page from that section, but it's the Jung Fook-Sing page and it doesn't belong there. Maybe you or another admin can take it out of that section?

Thanks.

LyHungViet

I saw that on the profesor MacDougal's page it didnt say anything about how you can play him in multiplayer player if you have the liars and cheaters pack, I thought you might be able to add it.

Done.
The wiki's all up to other people now.

Hope it doesn't get too fucked-up.

See ya everybody.

- JackFrost23 16:41, September 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Come on, not this again! --Anon talk</tt> 00:08, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Really though, I saw the conversation with that guy on the Trophies/Achievements page. It's a rather silly thing to call it quits over. Still, if you've really had enough, we'll be sure to hold it together. EmceeGrath 00:42, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Are you leaving the Wiki?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 * I agree with these guys JF. It's a stupid thing to get upset over. We're both being immature over the whole thing. We both did substantial work to that page, and we both have opinions about it. I could've definitely looked into more of what had happened to that page since I last changed it. So my bad. You're a very valued contributor to the Wiki, and it would be a loss for you to leave. -- Juicestain09 06:45, September 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I hadn't intended to come back at all, but I forgot to unclick the box that shows when my talk page has been changed. So...


 * @Juicestain: While our little back-and-forth seemed a little heated, it is of minor significance and only coincidentally happened at the same time as some other, larger issue.


 * I'm really not in any mood to discuss it, but suffice to say that when someone is telling you they're on the same page as you and then does the project the way they wanted anyway, and half-assed to boot creating a lot of inconsistencies and errors, it gets one's ire up. Especially when it's a group of pages you've spent quite awhile organizing and refining...


 * And then some of us take a look at the fact that we shouldn't be getting so upset over stupid things like this and come to the realization that we're getting too attached and need to take a step back.


 * This thing isn't mine, but I'm acting too much like it is. I'm taking this all too personally, and I need to stop.


 * I wasn't involved in making the game, I didn't start the wiki nor did I create the vast majority of things on it, so really my emotion is completely misplaced.


 * I need to let go before I begin to lose interest in the game, too.


 * And in a few days, everyone'll forget I was ever here.


 * - JackFrost23 15:56, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Just a heads up
Since you're an active admin, I'm linking you to the post I just made here. JoePlay ( talk ) 00:13, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Look who's back
I'm really happy you're back, this wiki just died without you.

Anyway, welcome back :) --Anon talk</tt> 21:56, October 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I couldn't stay away. I keep using it for reference and I send people here, too. I've been seeing and they've started telling me about how poorly edited some of the pages are so I knew I needed to at least take a look.


 * I think I've finally gotten perspective and I won't obsess about the place like I was before, but I'll try and help make it look better where I can.


 * I think I just needed to not be here for a bit to allow that to occur, yknow?


 * Anyway, thanks for noticing. :) JackFrost23 22:04, October 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's always good to take some time off and let your mind rest. So as long as you keep coming back, you can take as many breaks as you want :D
 * I myself am juggling 3½ wikis at all times so all I can do here is fix vandalism, I never have time to go on an "editing-spree". --Anon talk</tt> 23:27, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

social club challenge
For the social club challenge in pikes basin, do you have to drag a gangmember through the entire basin, or just part of it?ANAT0LY LANB3RY 22:37, October 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Only through a small part of it. Just rope one guy in the big area with the corral and ride around in circles with him until you get the challenge. Hope it helps... JackFrost23 22:41, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

damn dude
you've edited every single page here...


 * Well, I dunno about every page, but yeah, I've done a tom of editing here.


 * Hopefully you like my work. :)


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 22:36, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you.
I just wanna say thank you for deleting Boom Bait. I agree with you that it is the same as Zombie Bait. Also Boom Bait was never comfirmed to even be a weapon was it?

Hey there.
Hey, must feel pretty good being the person with the most points, be sure to keep helping out the Wiki. ;)

Kernel Popanator, your daily Superman. ;) 01:14, November 1, 2010 (UTC)Kernel Popanator.

I'm new here...
Hey, just wondering since you're such an avid user what tips you could give me? Both wiki-wise and gameplay too.

thanks


 * Those are both pretty vast topics.


 * Was there something in particular you needed help with?


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 01:04, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Editing A Users Profile is possible?
Hello Jackfrost23.

Recently when I signed into Red Dead Redemption Wiki, I went to check my user profile, and I found that someone had edited my own personal wiki page. They had added in extra information. I was just curious if there was a way to prevent this from happening. Unless an administrator had done it.

It wasn't anything bad, I was just very confused with it. I thought that I was the only one who could edit my profile. I guess I thought wrong.

Your feedback is much appreciated.

User:Elas12


 * You forgot to leave your signature. ;)


 * Anyway, I'm pretty sure that you can protect your user page.


 * If you click the little arrow in the EDIT button, it should give you a pull down list that allows you to Protect the page.


 * Let me know if this option isn't there and I can protect it for you.


 * Cheers!


 * -JackFrost23 15:43, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

There isn't an edit button, but annonnimus protected my page.
Hey Jack.

I just saw that you replied to my message. I thought it would get directed to me, but it didn't. I'll have to keep checking here to see if you've answered :D.


 * Yeah, this new version of the wiki doesn't have a very good notification system.

My page was vandalised once again, and annonnimus protected my page. Hopefully it puts a stop to it. I did not see anything about protecting my page where "Edit my profile" is. When I click the little arrow, all it has in the drop down box is "Move".


 * Huh, that's interesting. It might be that I never knew that regular users didn't have the option because I didn't feel the need to protect my home page until after I became an admin. So it's always been there for me. I'm glad annon took care of you, as I would've done the same thing had I gotten here first. I wonder if he gave them the ban hammer?

Oh one more thing, if I notice tiny mistakes such as punctuation errors, I feel guilty editing them and having it added to my edit count. We are allowed to fix up punctuation right?


 * Absolutely.


 * My edit count has been padded significantly by correcting spelling and grammar. :)


 * - JackFrost23 16:03, November 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * P.S. - You forgot to put in your signature again. ;P
 * Sorry Jack, I just found out about the signature button. I'm still learning ya know ;)
 * Also about the achievement boosting, I don't intend boost. Although, I can't deny that the Abraham Reyes one was the one I needed to get the achievement and I was pretty excited to get the silver one. Deeply sorry for that. It won't happen again.
 * As for the Red Dead Redemption category, I've seen them on other Red Dead Redemption Wiki pages using that sane category too, so I assumed it was allowed to have that as a category. My deepest apologies if it was incorrect.
 * I'll probably stick to updating the news section when Rockstar releases more news about Red Dead Redemption. On that note, I have one more question.
 * On Rockstar's News Wire website, there is some news regarding a person who made Jack-O-Lanterns with Red Dead Redemption characters on them. It isn't news regarding changes or add-ons to the game itself, but is fan base artwork. Is that allowed to be added into the "News" section?
 * The link to it is underneath.
 * http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/11561/insane_red_dead_pumpkins_display_%28found_on_twitter___flickr%29.article
 * Elas12 07:00, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll probably stick to updating the news section when Rockstar releases more news about Red Dead Redemption. On that note, I have one more question.
 * On Rockstar's News Wire website, there is some news regarding a person who made Jack-O-Lanterns with Red Dead Redemption characters on them. It isn't news regarding changes or add-ons to the game itself, but is fan base artwork. Is that allowed to be added into the "News" section?
 * The link to it is underneath.
 * http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/11561/insane_red_dead_pumpkins_display_%28found_on_twitter___flickr%29.article
 * Elas12 07:00, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * On Rockstar's News Wire website, there is some news regarding a person who made Jack-O-Lanterns with Red Dead Redemption characters on them. It isn't news regarding changes or add-ons to the game itself, but is fan base artwork. Is that allowed to be added into the "News" section?
 * The link to it is underneath.
 * http://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/11561/insane_red_dead_pumpkins_display_%28found_on_twitter___flickr%29.article
 * Elas12 07:00, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Elas12 07:00, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

80.255.241.49
I think you should block the above ip adress, the user deleted most of the content for the new friends old problems page, i have undone the vandalism. Tom ( Talk ) 16:25, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

165.138.0.21
The above IP adress vandalised the outfits page 3 times and should also be blocked. Tom ( Talk ) 19:59, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Two pages regarding the Undead Nightmare Secret Location?
This page and this page. It would probably be beneficial for all of us to merge the pages together. However, what would we name the page? Both names are correct, but I'm personally more inclined towards "Secret Location" mainly because the page name would prove less of a spoiler to some. Your thoughts?

JohnnyT 01:45, November 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * The two should be merged obviously, but I think the page should be called Escalera Catacombs since that's what the location is actually called.


 * I fully understand not wanting to give too many spoilers but we've got to think about this within reason (tho I am about to propose we removed the alive/dead status from the character pages). I am of the opinion that while spoilers shouldn't be too obvious one has to expect a certain level of spoilage when perusing a site that's a guide to the game they're playing.


 * I think 'Secret Location' is a bit too vague and would make it difficult to search for with that name because you'd pretty much have to already know it was called that to find it.


 * Hope this helps.


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 17:38, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Ello der. :D

Hi I saw that you were an administrator and was just wondering if there was a way for you to help me out. some one trashed a possse page that I made and I was just wondering what I could do about that. and also is there a way so that only I can write on the page so this wont happen again.

Carriage returns
Just wanted to let you know that the carriage returns are actually automatically inserted by the 'Rich text editor' (WYSIWYG). Wikia was supposed to fix this a long time ago but apparently they changed their focus to 'Oasis'. Hope this helps contain the RAGE :D --Anon talk</tt> 01:35, November 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Really? And here I am thinking that people are doing it deliberately so the code is easier to read.


 * I'm such a douche.


 * Thanks for saying something... :D


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 16:31, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Hi Jack, thanks for the help and I will try to use the advice you gave me and sorry for not leaving the signature, but yes the posse page is u.s. law enforcement.

ahhhhhhhh, sorry i'm new to this internet editing and I could use some help procting the site I just can't find the protect button so if you could help me with that it would be much appreciated. tell me if this is right.

Milly4life 21:42, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry but one more thing, the leader of the posse Ausin2232 can't edit the page. Is there a way to fix that?

Milly4life 00:56, November 18, 2010 (UTC)

hi i have a question im austin 2232 head marshal and clan leader of the posse u.s. law enforcement my page was vandilized earlier today and it said that i couldnt edit my clans wikki my friend milley 4life told me to talk to you he is the wikki creator. he told me you locked the wikki to protect it from being vandilized and i came here to ask if you can unlock it for me so i can fix the errors and update it.

message me back

thanks

Austin2232

Damn, mate. You are one hell of a prolific admin. I really appreciate all the hard work you do to fine tune and correct mistakes in all of the articles and pages. If you have an XBL account I would love to play with you I have an account under the same name as my Wiki account.

Pic Help
I changed my avatar and its only showing my name and not the pic I uploaded. Do I have to wait until admins approve the pic I uploaded for my avatar or do I need to remove it and re upload it? Jrl51592 19:47, November 18, 2010 (UTC)

then please keep the page protected, when would he fall out of the new catagory. Perhaps then he may be able to edit the wikki.

i think the wikki should remain how it is right now to keep those people from vandilizing my clans wikki again that one person that vandilized our wikki is part of another clan called the wild west mafia who really dont like us and have been trying to mess up our wikki for a while so can you keep it how it is now blocked id rather have milley4life update it for me rather that those people messing with our things

ill have these members update the wikki for me

Irskestesti

milley 4life

lucas 76020

Thanks

Austin2232

Austin2232 01:07, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

New
I'm new to the Red Dead Wiki, how do you create a article?Old West 01:03, November 21, 2010 (UTC)Old West

Zombie Marston and John Marston (Undead)
This Page and this page should be merged and renamed. The first was originally called Zombie Marston, and had all the characteristics of the single player version, and what is currently named Zombie Marston, has all the multiplayer characteristics. Merging them would make it a better page, so people wouldn't have to look around on the wiki and eventually guess the nane.

P.S. I think after the merge, John Marston (Undead) should be renamed Zombie Marston because it's current name makes it sound like it should be merged with John Marston, when they're (techincally) two different characters. What are your opinions on this? Thanks, Jackass2009 02:54, November 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have to admit I've been avoiding this whole issue just based on the number of editors involved in those pages.


 * Frankly, I think the Undead Nightmare info should be added to the existing character page and shouldn't be separate, just like all the other characters that I've added sections to.


 * So, in my opinion, the pages should be merged...


 * - JackFrost23 16:33, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Possible Vandalism of the Blogs
Dear Jack,

I have noticed that some people sign in as annonyomous wiki contributers and give comments on there own ideas, would this be considered vandalism? If so then Casecr is a very large culpret of this crime (See page SEQUEL IDEA) I would personally like to see this dealt with because I think it is wrong.


 * Unfortunately, vandalism really only applies to the articles.


 * If the person is being abusive or spamming then that's an offense that can be mitigated. But if you just don't like what s/he's posting, then I'm afraid that isn't grounds for action.

I'm playing through RDR Undead Nightmare and noticed some information was up on the wiki... Sooo I created an account but it won't let me edit the "Tips" section... any suggestions?


 * I don't know which page specifically that you were editing, but several, high-traffic articles have been blocked for editing by unregistered and new accounts. Chances are your problem converges on that 'new account' thing...


 * - JackFrost23 16:36, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Shit. okay VERY new at this...
I'm playing through RDR Undead Nightmare and I noticed some stuff was missing from the wiki... Sooo I made an account to edit the "Tips" section... It says it's locked... any suggestions ~ J-HXC ~


 * Oh, it looks like I answered your question above... :D


 * - JackFrost23 16:37, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Ban Wasteland Survivor
Wasteland Survivor has been spamming my blogs and vandalising them with his constant crap saying that it's fake which yes they are and I have admitted that but he is spamming his crap and ruining it for everyone else. The Strange Occurences series is a series of stories for entertainment and he is ruing ing and insulting my mother and being a piece of crap about it.


 * He has been blocked for 3 days. Hopefully that will cool his jets a little.


 * - JackFrost23 16:54, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

undead wolf
see if you can get a pic of an undead wolf and post it. thanks


 * Um, I'll see what I can do, but no promises.


 * Haven't come across a "photo opportunity" with the undead wolves and unfortunately R* haven't put out an official pic.


 * And I won't throw up some cheesy pic just to have one there, so it may take me some time.


 * - JackFrost23 16:52, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Help tackling a troll
Sorry to contact you out of the blue, but there's a bastard vandalising pages, he's just deleted the 'Outfits' page.

http://reddead.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/212.219.119.156

You're a frequent user, I'm not sure if you're a mod or not and I'm relatively new here so if you are a mod or you know a mod could you please alert them immediately? Seriously, check that guys history if you need evidence. Pog 11:46, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Pictures
Great pictures on the Clara LaGuerta page. Good angles and quality. All of your Pics seem to have a lot of effort put into them and I'm glad you don't put up low quality pictures just so there can be one. Keep up the good work my friend.ZERO 00:02, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Pictures
Great pictures on the Clara LaGuerta page. Good angles and quality. All of your Pics seem to have a lot of effort put into them and I'm glad you don't put up low quality pictures just so there can be one. Keep up the good work my friend.ZERO 00:02, December 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'm just replacing low-quality pics, most of which I posted originally, with better resolution pics. So it was my fault that some of those crappy pics were there. :D


 * Butthanks for saying something. I appreciate the feedback.


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 00:20, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Adding Pictures
Sorry to bother you, but I have no idea how to add pictures. I have taken pictures for characters that don't have any up and I don't know how to put them in the character box. Could you help? If so, thanks. XHobbes 02:51, December 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Which part are you having difficulty with - getting the image uploaded in the first place, or how to make it display properly on the page?


 * Let me know so I have a starting point for you.


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 05:22, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm having trouble getting the pictures into the Characterbox (?). I can add photos to the page, it's just adding them to that box is troubling me. XHobbes 18:21, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm having trouble getting the pictures into the Characterbox (?). I can add photos to the page, it's just adding them to that box is troubling me. XHobbes 18:21, December 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, the best I can propose is try looking at the code of a similar page.


 * Find a similar character page to the one you want to edit, hit edit on the example page, and then the 'Source' button and check out the code in the infobox section and try to make yours look like it.


 * I'm really not sure if this helped, tho'...


 * - JackFrost23 17:59, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Zombie Wolf/Undead Wolf
There are two pages containing the same information and I ask that you please remove the Zombie Wolf page because of this.


 * I have placed merge tags on the pages in the meantime. Hopefully someone can take the initiative and merge the text, but if it stays that way for too long I'll do it myself.


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 18:19, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Deletion
A new page was created and I don't think it should be there. This page is completely useless and I just wanted to bring it to your attention. XHobbes 16:31, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, wait, sorry. I should have read through the page earlier. I just saw that someone else brought this to your attention. Sorry again. XHobbes 16:36, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Guidelines
Hello again. Okay, I seem to post here a lot so I'm sorry if this is a bother. I just wanted to clear some stuff up on my editing techniques. First off, I edit the pages for multiplayer characters quite often. People seem to put in the characters Background, Interactions, or Trivia sections about their appearences throughout singleplayer and free-roam. That's not the case. That is the A.I. version of the character. Take Esteban Morales for example. A whole background section appeared about him and his interactions throughout the Rebelde campaign, meanwhile, that was actually Victor Melendez. I just wanted to make sure that I should continue deleting story and free-roam interactions for Outfitter characters that don't make appearences. My next question is; when it comes to Multiplayer versions of A.I. characters, like Esteban/Victor, should I say, for example, "Esteban uses the same character skin as Victor" and vice versa or "Estaban's A.I. name is Victor"/"Victor's multiplayer name is Esteban"? Sorry for the length, but I really need this cleared up. Thanks. XHobbes 03:35, December 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hell, yeah, take out the backstory if it's for the Single Player character. I've noticed that happens sometimes, too. I even had one guy try to post the bounty targets' wanted posters in the Multiplayer character pages because they used the same character model. It didn't even occur to him that the name on the poster didn't match the character he was adding the pic to.


 * And, yes, please, go through and mention when a character model has been reused. I was under the impression that someone had done that, so I never bothered (I spend more time on Single Player stuff than Multiplayer). But that should help keep people from confusing the characters - well, if they bother to read the article first, that is...


 * No worries about the length - keep up the good work.


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 03:42, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Categories
Once more, I return. Another user has gone through all the lawmen characters, including the multiplayer characters, and added the category Law Enforcement. It doesn't link anywhere when added to a character. So, do I remove the category, as I can just link the top part of the page i.e. "is a |minor character in Red Dead Redemption" or should we add a new page that contains a list of all the lawmen in the game? If you go with the latter, then I will speak out against the addition of the multiplayer characters being in this list, as they aren't lawmen. They do not appear in the singleplayer or free-roam and are seperate characters meant for the player to control. I just wanted to bring this to your attention before I act out of hand. Thanks. XHobbes 21:17, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

RE: RE: New Characters
Hello and thank you. I really appreciate the time you took to help me improve my edits. I understand the need for the pages to match and have a certain unity to them. I really appreciate it. When I was starting a page, the whole PAGENAME thing wasn't really working out, it didn't come out right and I ended up scrapping it. I'll be sure to use these new techniques.

About the pictures. I know the photos are awful, I only took them so there'd be a picture there for reference, then, someone could see the character on the page and maybe recognize them in game (I'm pretty good with names and faces, and apparently that skill transfers into video games as well) and take a better photo. I know they need to be improved and I will try.
 * To answer your question, I do have an HD tele, but I have been taking the photos with a handheld camera that is nearing its fourth year. I don't think I have photoshop and if I did I don't think I'd understand how to use it. So, I'm sorry about the photos, I thought it would be helpful to have at least some form of visual identification for readers, and I would be glad to see them improved.

Now, about the names. So far, my technique has been to follow NPCs around, wait until they engaged in an action that allowed them to stay still, angled the camera to get a full view of their shoulders up, took a picture, and then I would aim my gun at them. I see the characters you uploaded are mostly gamblers and duelists, but as I'm sure we both know, not all NPCs engage in such activities. So after taking their photo, I aim my gun at them so they will shoot and kill me. After I am killed, their name appears in the bottom left corner and I quickly write it down. I also write down small reminders to quotes and trivia about the character, and repeat it in my head. An exhausting and inefficient tactic, but it has gotten me this far. Anyway, thank you for helping me and I will be sure to use the techniques on improving my articles and taking character's photos that you have told me. Thank you. XHobbes 01:46, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks It took me ages to do but at least the horse pages look much more full, i also noticed all the work you were also doing at the same time, give yourself a pat on the back from me, you're very loyal to the site good job! :)

Jeanette &#39;Jet&#39; Treacy 12:41, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Favorite
What is your favorite undead animal?

Delete Page
Could you delete red dead redemption player intrestsDMK961 16:36, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Name References
Hello again. I don't want to start an edit war, so I'm coming to you. A user has edited Sean Cobbler, saying that his name is a reference to Sean Connery. He did the same with Jesse Lange, saying that his name is a reference to the outlaw Jesse James. When I undid these edits and gave a valid reason for doing so, he undid my edits, and even wrote that "Sean Connery's Name may be a Refence to Sean Connery". I hope you agree with me that just because they share the same first name, that does not make them references. I trust you'll sort this out. Thank you. XHobbes 19:10, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

The reason for the sean cobbler reference is because of a part Sean Connery played in a film *tack the cobbler*. Hence Sean Cobbler ? I did not think this would be such a problem and would it not have been wise to ask why the reference was give in the first place instead of just removing it ? Isnt this site for everyone.

Well then write that! "Sean Cobbler's name may be a reference to Sean Connery, who appeared in the film "The Thief and the Cobbler". I'm not a Connery fan, so how was I supposed to know. You have to write it out in detail because not everyone will know these things. And what about Jesse Lange? I suppose he's a reference to Jesse James because they are both named Jesse and are both outlaws? XHobbes 19:21, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Just getting a badge for this...
Like said above, i'm just doing this for a badge. Sorry for the trouble if any. ^.^


 * Please do not make edits simply to get badges.


 * This is actually considered 'boosting' and is a bannable offense on the wiki, so be careful.


 * - JackFrost23 18:53, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Monkeys In Thieves Landing?
This is going to sound very odd i was in multiplayer exploring balconys and random bulidings and i was in the physician place looking around and i heard the wierdest sound ever that sounded like a monkey. There are many sounds all happening at once in thieves landing so i dont know.odd thing is i only heard it once i went back there and didnt hear it again. only the frogs crickets toads and dogs..so ill try to go back there to heard it again it was just wierd.. WaaJacob


 * Right around sunset, there's a scripted event in which bats fly over Thieves' Landing (this also occurs in Tumbleweed). They make a really unusual sound and there are LOTS of them so it's pretty noisy. Unfortunately, because they're scripted animals, you can't shoot them.


 * This might be the explanation for the 'monkeys'. ;)


 * - JackFrost23 18:56, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see it was the wierdest noise i ever heard in all of red dead redemption the only thing i could think it was . was a monkey didnt know bats where in thieves landing only thought they were in tumbleweed . BATS!?!?
 * i'll send more of these events if anything else happends.. nothign could be wierder than thinking a monkey was in thieves landing- ...well there are people sinking into the palace floor in escalera .i cant do it but ive seen otheres fall in the floor.- WaaJacob


 * Yep. I happened to be on the roof of the stables on the north end of town near sunset, and all of a sudden there were bats flying all around me and they made a really crazy sound, too.


 * Because of the dark color scheme for Thieves' Landing, the bad weather and the numerous trees, they might not be as easy to see as in Tumbleweed where they stand out against the open sky.


 * But check in the place I mentioned around sunset and look up, you just might catch sight of them.


 * I think R* might have fixed that one floor glitch in Escalera, but there is still a way to get under the mansion. ;)


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 19:24, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Page Lock Request
Hello, I have recently made a page that has come under attack by several speculative edits made by anonymous users, and I fear that vandalism is going to happen soon. I was wondering if you could lock the page so only registered users could edit it. It is a Zombie Marston page that, and my explanation of it's existence is explained on the talk page. Thanks, Jackass2009 01:46, January 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, you kind of have a problem then because I don't think there should be a Zombie Marston page and that all the info on it needs to be moved onto John's already existing character page.


 * I understand he's the main character and all, but it seems a little ridiculous to create an entire page for something that could just be in the article that's already here.


 * I mean, seriously, if the page is so important to you, why haven't you at least linked it to Marston's page and vice versa? How is someone going to find it?


 * Not to mention that the very existence of the page is a huge spoiler for Undead Nightmare.


 * So try moving the info to John's article and then you won't have to worry about vandalism because that page is already blocked to unregistered users.


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 16:42, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Removing Talk Page Content
Hello again. I just wanted to know about your stance on removing content from talk pages. I was pretty sure that it's against the rules, but I just wanted to know for sure. User:WaaJacob has deleted his talk page 4 times. I've warned him twice, and now I just want to make sure I'm not acting out of hand. Thanks. -XHobbes 22:01, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Are you so obsessed in the 'Rules' you have to correct every time little 'mistake' just because you dont know it that pretty over confident. So in future stop it. i mean just because YOU dont know something DOES NOT MEAN ITS WRONG

and ill keep my page since you want it hobbes--- WaaJacob 23:30, January 7, 2011 (UTC)Waajacob

Experience
Hello. I was wondering, and I know this is out-of-the-blue and completely irrelevant to Red Dead, but I was wondering if you have any experience with creating templates and/or characterboxes? I ask this because I recently created the Dollars Trilogy Wiki, and I need some help. There's no rush. I have only seen one other user, and he was a vandal. I just want some help with creating characterboxes. I'm really new to this sort of thing. I'm used to smaller contributions and general maintanence, not this. I'm sorry to bug you about this, any help would be appreciated. Thanks. -XHobbes 04:50, January 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I gottta be honest with you XHobbes, I've only ever cannibalized the other existing infoboxes and then tailored them to what I needed. I've never made one from scratch.


 * For instance, I made new templates for infoboxes for the Strangers and their missions and the Undead Nightmare missions, but all I did was create the template, copy the code from the other infobox and change the colors and what displays.


 * So you could try just tailoring an existing infobox to your needs, but that depends on how good you are with the code.


 * Now, making it so the little PS3 trophies show up in the achievement pages and trophy banners? That was a pain in the ass! :D


 * - JackFrost23 16:20, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Opinion
Hello I noticed that you are a breacrat on this wikia. I was hoping to know your opinin of the Bully Fanon wikia, it is the most disgracful wikia that has been created. Do you know other users who were part of it, if not leave a message on Sasne talk page24.128.84.115 00:03, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Beecher's Hope Ayautheotl Message Thing
Okay, I'll try it again but is there something I should've done after beating the game that would trigger that cutscene to happen? Aside from opening the door I mean. When I rose out of the grave I immediately went to go clear out Torquemada, and fast travelled back to Beecher's Hope after remembering that, and all the doors were open inside the house. I figured it was a glitch so I came back later and the doors were all closed and boarded up. I tried to interact with them/walk into them but I heard nothing. I'll start using the talk pages for things like this next time. Thanks, Jackass2009 00:37, January 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * The operative part of this that I think you're missing is that you must try to re-enter your ranch house BEFORE YOU COMPLETE THE GAME. :) After you've completed the game, Ayauhtéotl will have no reason to stop you from re-entering the house, so you won't get the cutscene.


 * Check out the vid I gave you if you want to see the scene to which I'm referring, or re-visit Beecher's Hope after doing the Sasquatch side-mission or clearing Cochinay. Trust me, it will play... ;)


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 01:02, January 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. I watched the video. I had a save before then, after the Las Hermanas Zombie Meet and Greet (bring one to Mother Superior) and I got it. I'll use the talk page more often for things like this. Thanks, Jackass2009 01:04, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. I watched the video. I had a save before then, after the Las Hermanas Zombie Meet and Greet (bring one to Mother Superior) and I got it. I'll use the talk page more often for things like this. Thanks, Jackass2009 01:04, January 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * No worries, man, just bringing it to your attention. Glad you finally got to see it even though it's kind of a throw-away cutscene since most people never bother to try and go back home. :D


 * - JackFrost23 18:31, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Character Pages
Hello, JackFrost. I just wanted to tell you that I've been trying really hard to follow your guidelines for character pages, but I've hit a snag. The "PAGENAME" (with the { } brackets) doesn't work for me. Everytime I create a page and use the PAGENAME code, it buggers up the page, bolding some letters, putting sections in boxes, etc. Could you help me out here? If not, you're going to have to follow up on my new pages. Thanks. -XHobbes 01:41, January 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * The magic-word doesn't work while creating a new article through the Special:CreatePage (it still works while creating an article from a red link), because the article doesn't technically exist yet, so the magic-word isn't recognized and the six 'single quotes' surrounding it make the whole paragraph bold and italicized with one single quote to spare. Once you save the changes, everything will look as it should.


 * As for the "putting sections in boxes" part, I think this may have been caused by a space before the first word in a paragraph, like this:

Sample sentence in a box.


 * Hope this answered the question :) --Anon talk</tt> 02:18, January 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Um, yeah, what Annon said. ;P


 * -JackFrost23 16:08, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Fletch Hillard Picture
I am aware that the picture was of Harvard Coskie, but Coskie and Hillard use the same skin. Would cropping out the bottom portion that includes Coskie's name be sufficient

Jci2297 17:28, January 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, because it's still the pic of Harvard Coskie from the Outfitter.
 * I'm not going to challenge every pic, obviously, but I know for a fact that that one is not Fletch Hillard, and so does anyone familiar with the Outfitter. As such I can't reliably tell you how long it would stay up there before someone considered it a mistake and changed it anyway.
 * If you can find a pic that guy in some other pose, and without any kind of indications that he's the Multiplayer character, I'll have no problem with it.
 * Cheers!
 * - JackFrost23 17:33, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was afraid of that. I've looked, but I haven't found a picture of him besides that one. I'll post a request on the page's talk.
 * -Jci2297 17:37, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * -Jci2297 17:37, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Shadow Wolf
Hello, Jack. I was going through the recent edits, and I saw that a user had uploaded a photo of Shadow Wolf in the Legends and Killers promotional art. Anyway, it appears to have screwed it up, as they have duplicated. There is one picture in the gallery, another is under the infobox. I have tried removing the gallery photo, undoing this guy's edits, but I can't get rid of this second picture. Could you help me? Maybe it's a coding error or something, I don't know. Thanks. -xHobbes ( Talk - Contribs ) 11:51, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's gone. I just deleted it from the edit screen and no problems.


 * I got a Lucky Edit achievement doing it, too. Like I need the points... :D


 * -JackFrost23 16:24, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nice. I looked at the edit difference, and I feel daft. "Coding error", haha. I searched in source mode for 5 minutes, trying to deduce why that photo was there, and all along it was just at the end of a paragraph... Thanks for that, though. I wouldn't have figured it out. -xHobbes ( Talk ) 16:26, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I sometimes have a problem finding pics, too since some editors just dump the code wherever the cursor happens to be at the time the uploaded the pic (Maybe you noticed my "Yeah, just put that anywhere." quips in the comments). The best way I've figured out is to hover your cursor over the pic which will tell you the file's name, then do a search with the browser for the text string in the editor.


 * Cheers!


 * -JackFrost23 17:06, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Oh, and I think I've found another "Coding error" or something. On the Random Encounters page, the title for the Undead Nightmare section doesn't seem to work. Something's screwing it up. Once again, I tried fixing it, but I don't know. (I may have been the one who did it, as I only noticed it after I made an edit on the page. If that's the case, I'm sorry.) -xHobbes ( Talk ) 18:34, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * You were right, it was acting a bit screwy, but I finally managed to get it to code properly.


 * Cheers!


 * -JackFrost23 18:43, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Characters in Redemption
Hello again, Jack. I was wondering, you know how on the Characters in Redemption page, there are different groups? Well, I think there should be a "Criminals" or "Gang members" group. As of now, gang members are grouped in with random citizens. This "Gang members" group would also include bounty targets, because they are gang members. I just wanted to bring this up with you and see if you agree. Thanks. -xHobbes ( Talk ) 23:23, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, keep in mind that if you add a group you need to recode the navigational links (i.e. the one at the top of each character page that denotes what type of character they are and jumps to that group on the Characters in Redemption page) for each of the characters you move.


 * Also, I don't want the Bounty Targets added to the Characters page since they aren't really characters. With few exceptions, the player's interaction with them is limited strictly to capturing or killing them - and if the player kills them, they have no interaction at all. But if you still want to add them, be sure to give them their own group and don't mix them in with other gangs/criminals. Keep 'em separate...


 * About the gangs, personally I feel they should just be listed in Random Citizens or Criminals and give their gang affiliations in each respective article (which should be linked to each gang page) and on the pages for the gangs themselves list who the members are. Does this make sense?


 * But my big concern is making sure you add the names to the Character template that's on the bottom of all the character pages. I went through today and found several characters you added that didn't get into that template (no worries, I fixed them), which is why I bring it up.


 * And, despite my criticism, you really are doing a great job of helping me keep the character pages uniform - thanks.


 * -JackFrost23 23:43, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Right, so, if I were to go through with this, you want me to title the group "Criminals", recode the link (So it would be "Characters in Redemption#Criminals|Minor character", right?)


 * Correct.


 * Also, about the bounty targets, I think they should be included in this group, as they are still encountered in gang hideouts and can be found (if they are in Bollards Gang or Unaffiliated) in Thieves' Landing or in Armadillo (if they are in Walton's Gang). Either way, they still play roles in the singleplayer even after they are killed or captured. However, if you'd prefer, underneath the "Criminals" section I could add "Bounty Targets"? Is that what you want?


 * I'd still rather they weren't on the page, but yes, that's pretty much what I was getting at...


 * And I cannot say I understand what you mean by "character template" at the bottom of the page... Are you talking about the DEFAULTSORT thing? I think I've been adding that. If it's not working, could you tell me how to fix it? Or am I missing something else entirely?


 * I'm talking about this thing: http://reddead.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Characters ;)


 * Anyway, thanks for your input. No worries about the criticism, that's what you're supposed to do. I'm supposed to keep my articles and edits in uniform with other articles, and you are helping me do that. It's very appreciated. Thanks. -xHobbes ( Talk ) 00:18, January 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem. I still worry that I come off like some kind of authoritarian, tho'. :D


 * Cheers!


 * -JackFrost23 00:23, January 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright, I see what you're getting at. I know that template thing, and I've realized that I don't normally add it. Thanks for pointing that out. I realized that you were adding it, so I started adding it just a couple days ago.


 * I think I will add the "Bounty Targets" section, because they are characters and do play a role in some big parts of the game (hideouts, citizens, etc.) If you really don't want me to do it, I won't. However, I'll just add the "Criminals" section for now, and rearrange the characters a bit. We'll see how we feel in a wee bit, then we'll add (or not add) the "Bounty Targets" section.


 * And, like I said, no worries. I don't view you as an "authoritarian", I think that's a little exaggerated. You're an admin here, and just trying to keep things in order. Thanks. -xHobbes ( Talk ) 00:29, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Golden Guns
Hello, Jack. A user keeps adding "Golden Guns may have lost their popularity because of boosters obtaining it." to the Golden Guns page. I've removed it three times, he's added it four times. I feel that it shouldn't be on the page as there is no proof to back it up. There was no official word by Rockstar, no community survey taken. It's just an opinion. However, this user feels very strongly about it, thinking that adding "may" into the sentence justifies adding it, and has left a rather rude message on my talk page. Now, I feel this may also be the opportunity to inform of of the 17 Multiplayer challenges that were listed on the Multiplayer Challenges page, that this user created individual pages for. I have marked all of them for deletion. You may want to check these out. Thanks, and I await your reply. -xHobbes ( Talk ) 20:47, January 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * As far as I can tell the comment isn't there now. Did this get resolved?


 * - JackFrost23 16:16, February 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, problem resolved. - xHobbes (  Talk  ) 16:52, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Free Roam Characters
Hello, Jack. I noticed that someone edited the Free Roam page, characters section, to include zombies. This editor linked it to the category "Undead Characters". I fixed it by linking "Zombies" to "Multiplayer Characters#Zombies" so it would send the user right to the Multiplayer Characters page, zombies section. On this free-roam page, should I link all the factions like this? So Walton's Gang would go "like this"? I've left this message on Annonn's page too, I want both you guy's input. In the meantime, I am going to link "Damnation", "Redemption", and "Red Dead Revolver" like that, as they aren't on the page. I'm also going to re-arrange it so it's in the order it appears in in the outfitter. Thanks. -xHobbes ( Talk ) 16:49, January 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * So, do I have your go-ahead? Annonnimus agrees with me, but, regarding your comment earlier, I don't wish to continue without hearing what your opinion is. - xHobbes (  Talk  ) 21:27, January 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I took some time off for my birthday and I didn't come here except to post a few pics, so I was pretty slack on getting you a response. Sorry 'bout that...


 * So far it sounds like a solid plan, I say go for it.


 * And I was largely kidding when I posted that message about asking me my opinion. At the time I felt kind of weird getting into a conversation you and Annon were having, I didn't mean you needed to consult me at every turn. Sorry if that was implied. :)


 * - JackFrost23 16:21, February 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright, I'll head off and do that now. And you say you were kidding? Well, when I read it, it sounded pretty smart to me. You and anon are, pretty much, the only active admins here. This seems to me like I'm redesigning the page almost, a fairly large edit, and I thought you may want a say in it. I didn't know what you guys would say, because they will all link them to the same page, and I didn't know if that would be a problem.


 * No problem about being slack, it was your bloody birthday! Hope you had a good one :) - xHobbes (  Talk  ) 16:52, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Fixing the categorization
Hey, I started cleaning up some of the categories, but before I continue, I'd like to get your opinion on what you think the categorization for this wiki should look like, or if the categorization we have now should stay the same?

In my opinion, the categories on this wiki were well organized before achievements were activated, after that everybody just added whatever categories they thought belonged on the article to gain achievements, thus successfully destroying this wikis categorization. I would like to clean them up to make navigating this wiki much less confusing.

I would base the categorization of the Vault's categorization policy, since I know it's the best on wikia :). I might also partly copy it to create a new policy article for categories.

So, what do you think? --Anon talk</tt> 22:01, January 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry about not getting back to you sooner, I was a bum for the last 4 days as I took time off for my birthday...


 * I think you're totally right about the achievements screwing things up. Hell, I started finding edits were the person would remove the period of a sentence in one edit and put it back in another. That seems like achievement boosting to me, too - not that I could prove it.


 * Anyway, I like the Vault's policies so we should use them, too. But I also am a realist in the sense that we really can't expect people to adhere to a policy they have no intention of reading. I mean, the categories should be cleaned up, obviously, but how do we keep it from getting out of hand again? Perhaps we should have a page that's a list of available categories that's easy to peruse?


 * Hell, can we remove the whole achievement thing? I never really started editing because of the achievements but because I adore this game, so the achievements are really irrelevant to me and become more so as they begin to become a nuisance.


 * As I am all for making this wiki as easy to navigate as possible, I wholeheartedly am behind streamlining the categories.


 * Cheers!


 * - JackFrost23 16:53, February 2, 2011 (UTC)