For what reasons specifically do you hate Micah?
For what reasons specifically do you hate Micah?
All though uncle was in 3 rdr games like 1, undead nightmare, 2. His screen time was only 30 minutes compared to Micah which is 37
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So I did the ending quest were you kill Micah maybe 1 in-game week ago and I just came back now to loot the place and jazz. Micah's body is gone, I'd expect that from a freezing corpse but his clothes are also gone? I know the sound effects make it sound windy but John's clothes + my horse's mane barely even flutter, so there's no way Micah's heavy af clothes got blown away unless it was by a blizzard is there a chance someone came back to bury him?
This is just random omg I just woke up with this brilliant thing I need to write down kind of idea, like most of my ideas :D
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Since Arthur was orphaned by the death of his parents, so I wanted to asked questions
What Arthur's life would be if only his parents lived??, would he still able to joined on Dutch's gang??, or actually living with his parents??, cus the possibility is infinite and we couldn't know what would happened to Arthur if his parents lived, but from Micah's experience about his own father, it could've speculating that Arthur would've be like Micah, since Micah's father is also Criminal and Micah turned into criminal just like him which is like father like son thingy
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Now this is of course an opinion, so take this with a grain of salt and please state your opinion of what you think happened to Dutch. But in this post, I'll discuss what could have happened to Dutch that made him into the insane psychopath murderer and outlaw he was at the end of RDR2 and during the original Red Dead Redemption.
So, there are two sides of course to what could have happened to Dutch and it's those two that most people of course choose between. One is the "Dutch changed from a good leader with morals to a blood hungry murderer" and the other is "Dutch just showed his true colours, he was always like this and never a man of principle". Now, I have always been on the boat of Dutch having changed, but I have thought it through and I personally believe that it is a small mix of both. Dutch did have that darkness within him but he was always able to control his impulses and he always was a principled man who did believe what he preached to the gang. And one big part that always kept Dutch in check and challenged him was of course good ole Hosea.
Now, there are other reasons that I will delve into that could be a catalyst for Dutch changing and his dark impulses coming out more:
Blackwater: This is undoubtly what started his struggles. The Blackwater Ferry job is what started the downfall of the Van der Linde gang, and one major moment that occured here was Dutch shooting mother Heidi McCourt in cold blood during the robbery. The reason for this is unclear, but it could be that Dutch was stressed and pressured into killing him by Micah, as Micah was "pressuring Dutch to kill her". Or maybe Dutch did because he could, whether he knew the reason for it or not. Why he killed Heidi is unclear but it is clear that him killing her had a big affect on him in some way. And the massive gunfight did have a affect on Dutch too in some way.
Some in the gang beginning to doubt him: The gang had always been a firm believer of Dutch's ideals and always had faith in him (besides Micah of course). But during the game and even at the beginning in both Chapter 1 and 2, some began to show doubts after what happened in Blackwater etc. This of course affects Dutch because he can't handle people not having faith in his abilities to lead them. Those who began to show doubts first are Hosea and John (that I think of at least). So people beginning to be unsure and doubtful of Dutch seems to have a affect on him.
The Pinkertons on their tail: Undoubtly having the Pinkertons on their tail and the law in general now with his now massive price on his head might put tons of pressure and stress on Dutch, which seems to get worse overtime as the gang causes more and more noise in Blackwater, Valentine, Strawberry, Rhodes, Saint Denis and Roanoke Ridge.
Micah's influence: Do I even need to explain this? Micah's presence and influence is certaintly something that affects Dutch the worst way as Micah tries to push Dutch to indulge in his dark impulses of murder and chaos.
Gang members dying: I mean... when 5 members of your gang are killed within a few months, it's definitely going to mess with you a bit I feel like. I'm talking of course about Jenny, Davey, Mac, Sean and Kieran.
Head injury during trolly station robbery: Now, I don't think this is what caused Dutch to fully go crazy, as some would think. But I do agree that this potential head injury or concussion he suffered might have had a affect in his thinking and emotions after he, Arthur and Lenny fell into a trap by Bronte who betrayed them, something that pisses Dutch right off.
His brutal murder of Bronte: Now this is where Dutch's emotions, impulses and dark side shine through, when he brutally drowns Bronte to death and then feeds him to a alligator, a action shocking his proteges John and Arthur.
Hosea and Lenny's murder: Hosea's death and the bank robbery going completely wrong definitely affected Dutch so much, especially Hosea's death, a man he looked at as a best friend and brother, someone who always was there for Dutch, kept him in check and loved so much like a brother. Shot as a unarmed prisoner in a brutal way. Lenny's death didn't help either, as while Dutch didn't have like a strong relationship with Lenny like he had with Hosea but Lenny was someone Dutch liked very much, sort of like a young Hosea in a sense who challenged Dutch's views and Dutch's obsession with Evelyn Miller.
Time in Guarma: Dutch wasn't fully able to process Hosea and Lenny's death as he, Arthur, Bill, Javier and Micah get stranded on Guarma for a while and fight to survive and get out. And also Dutch decides to brutally murder a old woman, who yes did threaten Dutch with a knife because he couldn't pay her back for her leading them to a entrance to the place Javier was held at, still decided to brutally murder her in front of Arthur.
His growing dillusion of believing John may be a rat, Arthur becoming sick and Micah's growing influence on Dutch with Hosea now gone: This is honestly self explanitory.
Hope this was easy to read through and understand and I hope I did a ok job explaining what happened to Dutch.
Join the Van Der Linde gang just to earn profits as his gang was disbanded
Manipulate Dutch into robbing the ferry boat in Blackwater so that Micah could get rich and leave the gang and possibly start his own gang
Work with the Odriscolls and The Pinkertons to capture a gang member so that most of the gang comes to the rescue and then they would be surprised with not just the Odriscolls but the Pinkertons as well so that the Van Der Linde gang is killed in one fell swoop. He does this as Dutch’s gang is losing profits and he sees Dutch’s bounty which is very big and The Pinkertons are going to pay him very well for his efforts of capturing and killing most of the gang.
He hears That the Van Der Linde gang is going to rob a bank he is content with this idea since his cut is going to be possibly massive so that then he could leave the gang with the profits he has accumulated. And possibly start his own gang after he left the Van Der Linde gang
Get constantly into Dutch’s ear to go back for the Blackwater money he tries to manipulate Dutch saying is for the survival of the gang and freedom in another country. But actually, he just wants the money for himself possibly stealing it all betraying the gang, and staying in hiding for a while after he steals the gang’s heist. And again possibly starting his own gang.
After Guarma Micah is scared for his life as the Pinkertons and the authorities are closing into the Van Der Linde gang harder than ever. He now works directly with the Pinkertons instead of just as an informant of the Odriscolls who then gives the information to the Pinkertons but now he works directly giving them information on their plans and the state of the gang.
Try to kill the Van Der Linde gang after giving the location of the Van Der Linde’s gang hideout in Lakay. He obviously is going to get substantial money for being an informant.
Now that he has fully manipulated Dutch into believing him to be a very loyal enforcer and a great friend he sees this as an opportunity to win more cash as he convinces Dutch to do impulsive and destructive acts and tells Dutch false narratives continuously saying that Arthur and John are traitors and that all of Dutch’s impulsive plans is the right thing to do.
After the long-awaited and planned train robbery succeeds he plans to take his cut of the money with Dutch and leave the United States with him. He possibly will leave after he has successfully left the United States and possibly Force the boat captain to take him back while the gang stays in TAHITI.
Because of Arthur’s interference, his plan doesn’t work out as he would have wanted so he instead goes out to kill Arthur as Dutch fully believes that Arthur is a traitor and tries to gain a bigger trust within Dutch when he kills him. But instead of trusting him more, he sees Micah for who he really is and leaves much to Micah’s anger.
But it worked out better for him actually as he stole every last penny of the train robbery and regained the money from Blackwater has complete law immunity as he works with the Pinkertons and started his own gang, Just like he always wanted a lot of money complete law immunity and his own gang. But because he killed Arthur his past came back to haunt him which led to his death.
Additional Note: I think Micah when he was a rat was manipulating Dutch AND the Pinkertons as he wanted Dutch to do impulsive things because it benefits him and gets him more power in the gang and also destroying it. So more gang members dying Micah is just saying that the gang is rotting towards the pinkertons and they pay him for that for literally destroying the gang bit by bit. So when Micah was going to go to Tahiti he had complete control over Dutch and would completely manipulate him to do more destructive acts to get more money that benefits him. When he gets bored of Dutch he’ll just leave TAHITI to make his own Gang in The Us. But that’s just my theory
It’s been five years of Red Dead 2. I enjoyed playing this game so good.
The title may ba a bit stupid, as the game is told from Arthur's perspective, who clearly does not like Micah. But objectively, why is Micah any worse than the rest of the gang?
What people keep saying is that he is bloodthirsty and so on, but I remember shooting up Valentine twice (and a few more towns) as Arthur during main missions for no real and apparent reason other than wanting to escape, which is the same as what Micah does in Strawberry. Also, Arthur beats a sick Mr. Downes basically to death, just for a few dollars. During chapter six, but also before, he keeps shooting police officers, random people who just happen to work for Cornwall and also soldiers of the U.S. army who didn't even do anything other than patrolling.
During my last playthrough I just could not see why Micah is supposed to be any worse than say Arthur, John or somebody like Dutch or Javier.
He also antagonizes people in the camp, but at the same time, Arthur and the others keep antagonizing him as well, so I think this is kind of granted.
In chapter six, he becomes the rat, which is, from a gang perspective, bad, but doesn't change much, if anything, really, as the gang was on its last legs beforehand anyways, and which is arguably a good thing (bringing down a gang of murderers).
And, I mean, the entire gang is made up from criminals, murderers, robbers and con men, all bad people, so you really have to be horrible to be worse than them. What do you think?
BANG "You shot me... You shot me real good..."
THUNK "You tamahawked me... You tamahawked me real good..."
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It seems as though the cattleman revolver is supposed to be the “good guy” weapon while the double action is supposed the “bad guy” weapon because of their special grips. Also because the cattleman is the default weapon for Arthur and most of the “good” gang members (John, Sadie, Hosea, Lenny, Sean, and Kieran) while the double action revolver is used by two bad characters of the gang, Micah, who’s the villain of the game and Javier, who later becomes an antagonist in the first game.
We all either giggled and had a wtf moment when we saw this on guarma
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