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Red Dead Revolver probably didn’t even come out in Japan in 2005, This is for all I can see literally the only page and website that claims that even Wikipedia doesn’t even say it, So to whoever made this article please tell me where did u find that information and is it reliable? It says Europe in June 2004 which is correct but on Wikipedia it says ‘’PAL’’ in June 2004 And Australia is included in PAL as well so why isn’t it PAL instead of just Europe exactly??? I think am gonna stick with Wikipedia instead of this xD
I think that the Van Der Linde story is done so I think it should follow a new person or people. (like red dead revolver) I think it should be set at the height of the wild west and outlaw cowboys were still super prevalent. (1865 to 1895) Focusing on just how brutal it was. I think it should also drop the "Redemption" part and but something else like revengece (or keep it just Red Dead) but that opinion may just be mine
They’ve done the old west and a noire setting, so what else could they do? There was a rumor that they were doing a medieval game but that turned out to be false. Would’ve been nice to see if it was true though. Personally, I’d want them to try a pirate game.
Red Dead Revolver was the first game in the franchise but not the first Red Dead Redemption title, this is because Angel Studios (while still working for Capcom) developed like 80% of Red Dead Revolver. Then, around 2002, Rockstar bought the rights and studio (now known as Rockstar San Diego), and finished and published the game. Rockstar had plans for a direct sequel. For creative reasons, the studio decided to do a fresh take on the franchise's Wild West setting, this meant adding new characters, locations, lore, etc, but since it was also considered a "spiritual-successor" by Rockstar they opted with improving and reusing some elements established in the original game developed by Capcom, such as the Dead-Eye mechanic. Rockstar also chose to alienate this Old West title from its two spiritual-successors. But all of this is already known. The real question is "When Does Red Dead Revolver Take Place?".
This game does not begin showing you the date in which the story takes place, other Rockstar titles such as GTA Vice City, do let the player know if the story is set in the past, present, or even the future, but this does not apply to some titles like Bully and Grand Theft Auto 2. Bully's specific date has been discussed for years, but for some reason Red Dead Revolver goes under the radar quite a lot. So, having been said this, I'll begin to discuss the year and universe in which the narrative of Red Dead Revolver occurs.
Now, some people might be thinking "Oh, you don't need to explain it since Rockstar already confirmed it, in Redemption 1 campists will say the events of Red Dead Revolver happened 30 years ago, in 1880", but this is actually a common misconception within the Red Dead community and here's why: campfire stories aren't exactly good sources of information, sometimes you do hear tales that accurately describe events players can't spectate but know for a fact that are true, like the Hanging Rock treasure having been stashed there by the Two Crows Boys Gang, however not always these stories are based on actual events. The Wikipedia page for Red Dead Revolver states "In the late 1860s, prospectors Nate Harlow and Griff find gold in an area called Bear Mountain and celebrate by crafting two identical revolvers, each taking one. When Griff is later captured by the Mexican Army, he convinces corrupt army general Javier Diego to spare his life by offering to show him where the gold is hidden...", this estimated time period was given using an approximate date for the events of Red Dead Revolver mentioned in one of these campfire segments. However, like I previously pointed out, there appears to be some evident inconsistencies between each story teller. One says it happened 50 years ago or something. And the one who believes it happened sometime between 20 or 30 years prior to RDR1. So we have to take with a grain of salt what NPCs in story mode say.
The majority of players know that Dan Houser stated in 2010 that both games didn't shared a universe, but players would then accuse Rockstar of lying because we clearly can hear mentions of Red Harlow throughout RDR1 and RDR2, meaning they did indeed took place in the same world. But those players don't seem to take in consideration the fact Dan Houser also expanded upon Red Dead Revolver's function in the later Redemption continuity in an interview conducted by IGN titled Red Dead Redemption: A Man & His Horse, explaining that Revolver was considered by Rockstar to be old myths of the American frontier, not actual events, and that's why they decided not to connect both games story-wise -- they didn't had nothing to do with each other. Therefore, statements given by random NPCs don't hold any value canon-wise, those stores are merely fiction-within-fiction.
Having been said all of this, I will now proceed to pin down the year in which the Prologue of Red Dead Revolver occurs.
The first mission, "Bull's Eye", stars right after Nate Harlow discovered gold in Bear Mountain with his partner Griffon. Nate and Griff had a pair of pistols made called the Scorpion Revolvers and went their separate ways. Red receives his father's "Old Pistol" (its name is the U.S. Army's .45 Pistol) as a present. The gun's description in the official manual says it was adopted by the U.S. Cavalry in 1875 due to its competent reloading speed and accuracy range. If the Prologue was set in the 1860s, then it wouldn't make much sense for the gun to be there at all. According to Sheriff Bartlett's journal, Verne Wiggins is one of the original settlers that established Brimstone almost 40 years ago, leaving Brimstone's founding year around the 1850s or 1840s, another point that helps prove the main story happens in the 1880s.
Due to this erroneous time period being listed in the Wikipedia page of the game, many people also believe that a "Civil War battle" can be seen in the mission "The Traitor", but' it's actually not part of the Civil War, it happens in the mid-1870s. If you listen to the dialogue provided in the mission prior to that one ("Saloon Fight") then you'd know Sheriff Bartlett says "It all happened about twelve years ago, when the US cavalry made a little incursion south of the border", somewhere in the 1870s. The Old Pistol given to Red Harlow by his father was adopted by the US Cavalry in 1875, this gun was the weapon of choice for the military during the time "Bull's Eye" takes place, which is slightly after "The Traitor", the battle fought by Diego's Army. The US cavalry made an incursion south of the border with orders of defeating General Diego, who was a smuggler at the time. The battle was took place in the Rio Grande (also known as Rio Bravo in Mexico). This conflict doesn't have anything to do with the Civil War. Worth noting Sheriff Bartlett was present at the time of the battle, meaning that he was probably a soldier, according to the journal pages covering the bridge in the "Frontier Places" section. One final piece of evidence I have to track the year the Prologue occurs is the American flag present in "The Traitor.
The US flag in 1867-1876 had 37 stars, the same amount seen in this picture. The government granted the statehood to Nebraska in 1867, another state wouldn't have been admitted into the Union for another 10 years, in 1877.
However, Rockstar seems to have reused the flag for Widow's Patch in Chapter 3 of the game. Although it appears to have been there for quite some time now, hence its decaying state.
Having been discussed all of the clues to when the Prologue takes place, let's move with the rest of the main story.
We have two major indications: One; the 12 years time gap, and Two; a line said by Ugly Chris Bailey in Red Dead Redemption: Multiplayer which is in turn a meta-reference to the time Red Dead Revolver is set in. Leaving these events to have occurred somewhere in the late-1880s.
As an addendum, in the mission titled "The Cemetery" the player can find a tombstone with name "Black Bart" on it. Black Bart was an actual stagecoach robber who was born in 1829 and later died in 1888, this could set the game taking place slightly after his death, most likely 1889. Although Easter Eggs to real-life events or characters aren't always canon to a game's narrative, so we have to take this with a grain of salt.
In my opinion, Red Dead Revolver's Prologue takes place in 1875, while the rest of the story in 1887, since it makes the most sense and it would "relate" Revolver with Redemption 2 because the Van der Linde Gang committed their first bank robbery in 1887, so it's kinda neat to see it that way.
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This post will be a useful guide for the Red Dead community or anyone interested in this topic. Many are the players who still, to this day, generally believe that the Red Dead franchise has only 1 universe, unlike the main Rockstar Games franchise which is officially made up of 3 continuities and these ultimately interconnect with titles from other franchises also developed by them.
Like the Grand Theft Auto series, the Red Dead series is divided into three self-contained universes, as Dan Houser (Vice President of Rockstar Games) confirmed that the events of Red Dead Revolver take place in a different canon, and its events are treated as legends and myths in the Redemption continuity (Red Dead Online, Red Dead Redemption 2, and Red Dead Redemption canon) Undead Nightmare is set in a parallel universe and is not canon to the Redemption continuity.
So if it's not canon, why do the campers in both Red Dead 1 and Red Dead 2 mention characters and events exclusive to the narrative of Red Dead Revolver? Does it mean Rockstar contradicted themselves or that said events also happened in this continuity? The answer is no.
You see... campsites aren't exactly reliable sources of information. In a gameplay trailer for the game, and this can be verified, a narrator states that players can join random NPCs at campsites and hear news and rumors of the Western Frontier when describing their functionality. Some NPCs talk about hidden treasures that the player can actually find, but others boast about mythical characters and events they believe to be true, stories that are full of exaggerations.
Now answering the initial questions again: NO! Red Dead Revolver falls under the category of folklore in this universe and nothing more.
The topic of Undead Nightmare being a dream sequence scenario of John's all along has already been debunked by the screenshots shown above, plus the DLC is also referenced in GTA 5 and Red Dead 2 so further discussing this is pointless in my opinion. And it was always a fan theory, not something suggested by the company itself.
Next common dilemma:
Why do people find it difficult to understand the concept of different universes in the franchise? Actually, both parties are to blame, the company and players: the first group for not directly answering these type of questions on the company's official Twitter account and the other group for not doing enough research. We have to keep in mind that there are casual gamers and fans, we can't expect casual gamers to spend a lot of time googling information almost 24/7 about a game company, the same can be applied to content creators. It's not common knowledge out there, but among the fan community it's a well known fact that the Red Dead franchise has 3 universes.
Explanation for casuals:
In the movie Multiverse of Madness we see the Planet Volmir and Thanos with the gauntlet but instead of the "Avengers" being present in that battle we see "The Illuminati", a society of supers made up of Reed Richards, Professor Charles Xavier, Black Bolt, Baron Mordo the "Sorcerer Supreme", Agent Carter, and Captain Marvel (Maria Rambeau). The battle at Volmir in this universe, known as "838", is based on Avengers: Endgame but it occurred differently.
Explanation for fans, but only for those who deny the Rockstar Multiverse because their IQs equal the room temperature in an igloo:
The Call of Duty franchise is divided into not 2, nor 3, but 5 separate universes. This is due to the fact that 3 developers have taken over the franchise throughout the years. In Modern Warfare (the reboot) Captain Price says the line "On your feet, soldier! We're leaving." which is a nod to the Captain Price from Call of Duty 4, and this version of the character also claims to have shot Zakhaev, something that also happened slightly different in Call of Duty 4. And both characters have different ages.
Red Dead Revolver was originally a Capcom project, then it was bought, finished and published by Rockstar Games, but Rockstar eventually decided that they should further expand this recently acquired franchise and thus Red Dead Redemption was created around 2005-2006, which is a reboot/spiritual-successor of Red Dead Revolver. Undead Nightmare, on the other hand, was developed by the same company, but it was a different approach that certainly wouldn't fit into the serious and dark GTA 4-like narrative seen in Red Dead Redemption, so they made it a standalone zombie title filled with lot of fan service, that is also inspired by the Zombie genre of the 1970s, and that is not part of any canon or universe.
I hope my point of view better exemplifies how these universes work and the reasoning behind Rockstar's decision to separate Red Dead Revolver, Red Dead Redemption, and Undead Nightmare, narratively speaking.
Red Harlow is the best gunslinger in the series. He would easily kill Arthur, John and even the legendary Landon Ricketts, here's why:
Even though the game is almost 12 years older than RDR2, Red still very much comparable to Red Dead Redemption 2's engine. The duel system is solid, and Red is probably a faster shooter than Arthur, even though Red Dead Revolver's engine is 12 years older than RDR2's engine. So if you compare them gameplay wise, Red still holds up to both John and Arthur.
And if we compare them based on their feats, Red will destroy all three of 'em. Let's see:
Red took out multiple gangs, he killed a 4x duel champion in a duel, he pretty much took out the Mexican army and killed hundreds of US Soldiers. He killed dozens of US Soldiers and the governor in the last mission, he hunts down people like Arthur and John multiple times in the game. And on top of all of this, he did almost everything single handedly. He had the occasional help from people like Jack Swift, but he's mainly on his lonesome. And the ones who help him are completely useless anyway. And he's also the only protagonist who doesn't die.
There are very few people who've played Red Dead Revolver, but most people who've played the game agrees that Red is a better gunslinger than Arthur and John. This is obviously not gonna change anything in the "Who's the best gunslinger?" polls. And I am aware of Red Harlow not physically existing in Red Dead Redemption, but he does exist in some way. He's a myth in Red Dead Redemption.
MUST READ: Uncle is NOT Red Harlow! I don't even know who or why someone came up with this, Uncle's personality is the exact opposite of Red Harlow's personality. I don't get why anyone can even suspect that Uncle is Red Harlow.
Got my answer. It is a brand in-game.
My final conclusion is that the company's name may be a nod to Red Dead Revolver's antagonist, Governor Griffon. But it is not referring to the same character because this is a different continuity.
In Grand Theft Auto: IV, we can watch TV programs and commercials, most of them just aim to entertain us, the player, but others contain references and easter eggs to previous Rockstar Games titles.
Spittoon is an American-Western television show that aired on Weazel during the events of Grand Theft Auto IV and its episodes. The show itself cannot be viewed by the player and is only advertised through a commercial. According to the commercial, the show is set in the Old West.
Some of the footage for the commercial for the show is actually from the Rockstar game Red Dead Revolver and a possible reference to Red Dead Redemption, which was in production at the time.
The thing is that the narrator lets us know that Spittoon's latest season will arrive on a Tuesday.
Now, I'm no chemistry teacher to tell you my complex theory BUT... it ain't no coincidence that Red Dead Redemption was officially announced on February 3rd, 2009, a Tuesday. And yes, I'm aware that they have announced other games on that day, and also Thursdays, but what are the odds?
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