Sadie Adler

I keep seeing on Tiktok and YT people yapping about a rdr1 newspaper that a mine explosion or something like that has killed Sadie. Anyone know What tf they are talking about?

I actually made a post about this in the wiki here a few years back, and my opinion hasn't changed, but my reasoning and also proper way of expressing it has gotten better so I'll try to do it here.

I'm not saying I hate Sadie. Not at all. I like her and she's still a good character. But I can't stand her most of the time, and she's not this great character everyone makes her out to be. She's a independent badass woman, sure but she's not a goddess. I liked Sadie alot in my early playthroughs but over time as I did a new playthrough, I began to dislike her alot.

I feel like one of her weakest character points is her revenge mission. I get it, the O'Driscolls killed her husband, and god knows what they did to her, whether she was hiding or captured in the cellar or not. But I just feel like the writers made her extremely one dimensional, especially after Chapter 2. I know they wanted to have a badass female character who Arthur could trust and eventually John, but there's ways of doing it and for Rockstar, who are great at crafting such great characters with crazy depth, complexity and etc, they dropped the bag on Sadie. Sadie in the Epilogue is more likeable for me at least, cause she's not consumed by revenge here anymore.

But yeah Sadie in the main game from Chapter 3 to 6, I often just rolled my eyes or got annoyed by her actions. She constantly puts herself, Arthur and others in danger in pursuit of her revenge mission against the O'Driscolls. Maybe it's just me who has no clue on how revenge can be for people and how they aggressively pursue it, but just it annoyed me how she constantly put her and others in danger and near death to kill a few O'Driscolls. She gets the Arthur Hot Air Baloon guy (can't remember his surname) killed unnecessarly, and even Arthur criticizes it before Sadie ignores it to reveal Colm is arrested and sentenced to hang.

At this point in the game, for the gang, they're desperate. They're being cornered now. Contrary to Dutch's reasoning for "noise" to escape out of sight, it's actually not what they need now, considering they've made a shit ton of noise in Blackwater, Valentine, Rhodes and Saint Denis. Arthur doesn't care for the O'Driscolls, cause in his eyes, he and the gang got bigger problems. But Sadie is so bloodthirsty that she ignores it cause she wants to see Colm hang. That part genuinely angered me, that she ignored a valid criticism that she constantly causes trouble in pursuit of revenge, now that caused a innocent man's death who has zero connections to either gangs beyond Sadie meeting him and having Arthur go with him on the hot air balloon so to be able to locate John.

And I feel like the message of "Revenge is a fool's game" is redundant when Sadie suffers no consequence for her revenge mission. One of the themes of Red Dead Redemption (forgive me if I misunderstood it) is that revenge is a idiot's game, or a luxury we can't afford. When we pursue and fullfil a revenge mission, often that can cause consequences. John goes after Micah, and you wanna know what happens after? Agent Ross locates him and it sets into motion of the first game. Dutch goes after Angelo Bronte in revenge for setting him up (even though honestly Dutch shouldn't have believed his bullshit yarn about alot of money in a trolley station), right after, the Saint Denis bankheist fails and Hosea and Lenny die in the chaos (you can argue whether or not the gang going after Bronte essentially was why the Pinkertons understood the gang were going to rob the bank, but the consequence of revenge here is still evident). We don't know for sure what happens to Jack after he goes after Ross, but the consequence of that I would say is Jack is a killer now, a possible outlaw, a lifestyle Arthur, John and Abigail didn't want to happen to Jack. The bottomline is: Revenge causes consequences.

Sadie suffers no consequences for her revenge mission. At all. She gets to do whatever she wants in the Epilogue and is more than likely alive still in South America despite her participation in the revenge mission against Micah (though I would excuse that with her being in another country, same with Charles, whereas John remains in the country).

But yeah, to sum it up, I don't like Sadie. She's too one dimensional and makes the message of revenge is a fool's game almost redundant. This isn't to tell you to hate Sadie, I respect your opinion if you love her and if you disagree. But I had to get my personal frustrations with Sadie out

I just feel she's incredibly underwritten, and I wished there was some form of consequence for her, not to punish her but more to have her question herself or feel guilty

She does that in the Epilogue to a degree when she's worried about John being involved with her in bounty hunting, but that's really it (at least from what I remember).

Anyways, I'll stop ranting

So, I might so a Socially Awkward vs Average vs Awesome vs Super Extreme video featuring my favourite character Sadie. Sone other RDR Characters including GTA Characters even Lucia.

During my second playthrough of Red Dead Redemption 2, I started paying closer attention to the story and the characters. I noticed that Sadie was written to be good at pretty much everything she does—and how quickly she gets over her husband's death.

Let’s start with Jake. In Chapters 1 and 2, Sadie seems devastated by his death. She keeps talking about feeling trapped in a nightmare she can't escape. But by Chapter 3, it’s like she's already over it, and now her whole personality is just angry and stressed. I found it a bit ridiculous how she suddenly picks a fight with the Lemoyne Raiders, and Arthur isn’t bothered by it at all. Sadie claims the Raiders were going to rob them, but, come on—she's in no position to start causing trouble. Dutch told the gang to keep a low profile, yet the first time she leaves camp, she’s shooting people.

Then there’s how Sadie’s mysteriously good at handling weapons, fighting, and even leading, even though her background doesn’t match these skills. Her grief seems to vanish in Chapter 3, and by Chapter 4 it’s even clearer. When the O'Driscolls attacked Shady Belle, Sadie fought off three or more of them, who were probably much more experienced and had numbers on their side. Sadie, who was a rancher in Ambarino with maybe some experience shooting animals, is suddenly handling guns and fights like a pro. Also, the O'Driscolls killed her husband, but she shows zero reaction to Kieran’s death, even though he was almost like family to the gang.

Since she doesn’t play much of a role in Chapters 3 and 4, let’s skip to Chapters 5 and 6.

Charles mentions that while Dutch, Arthur, Micah, Javier, and Bill were shipwrecked in Guarma, Sadie was leading the Van der Linde gang. Isn’t that a bit strange? Sadie, who at most led a herd of cattle, is now leading a nearly hopeless group like it's nothing. Later, Sadie leaves Arthur with Arturo Bullard while she waits for them. But by the time they spot her, she’s picked a fight with the O'Driscolls, and they end up chasing her. Arturo dies because of Sadie, but she shows no remorse and changes the subject to Colm O'Driscoll’s hanging.

The Epilogue just confirms my thoughts in one mission. After Ramón Cortez escapes from Rhodes and she and John have to bring him back, there’s no sign of growth in Sadie’s character. She bosses John around and then, instead of sticking to their plan to stealthily approach the Del Lobos (as they had planned, if I remember correctly), she just starts shooting, and John even complains about it. But like Arthur, John doesn’t seem at all bothered by her impulsive behavior.

I never understood why players liked her so much when her role in the story is minor and she’s a flawless character. Honestly, I wouldn’t care if she got killed off because, to me, her impulsiveness and need to control everything make her a liability. I really hope that Rockstar didn’t intend to make her the stereotypical "strong, empowered female character" who doesn’t need help from male characters, and that they just made a few missteps with her writing.

If this gets 10 likes, I'll make even more

It’s been five years of Red Dead 2. I enjoyed playing this game so good.

It seems as though the cattleman revolver is supposed to be the “good guy” weapon while the double action is supposed the “bad guy” weapon because of their special grips. Also because the cattleman is the default weapon for Arthur and most of the “good” gang members (John, Sadie, Hosea, Lenny, Sean, and Kieran) while the double action revolver is used by two bad characters of the gang, Micah, who’s the villain of the game and Javier, who later becomes an antagonist in the first game.

It should be a spinoff with 2 campaigns. 1 campaign is Charles Smith, the other is Sadie Adler.

The game title is Red Dead: Stories

I'm sorry if I offended some of you who wants a Charles in Canada or Sadie in South America DLC, but I don't think it would work for RDR2. If it was a story like a book or something, then that would work, but as a DLC for a videogame? I don't think so.

As much as they are beloved by all, they wouldn't work as protagonists like Arthur or John. Sure, it is unfair to even compare Charles and Sadie as protagonists to John and Arthur. But still, they wouldn't work.

Charles was a very awesome character in RDR2. He is a silent and tough type who is a hunter. You don't think much about him at first, but when you get through him and talk to him, he is actually a good and kind person who kills when he has to and does bad things simply because he's an outlaw and they are on the run. He soon pretty much makes you love him when he shows his loyalty to you and Arthur and also John later on in the game. While he fits as a main character, he doesn't fit as a protagonist. He doesn't have the depth of character that John or Arthur does.

Same thing goes for Sadie as well. Sadie is a tough, ruthless and vengeful bounty hunter and gunslinger who stops at NOTHING to get her revenge. But you see that she's a good person who is in grief after her husband was brutally murdered. But is she playable protagonist material? No.

Again, I'm sorry. I love Charles, and while I have issues with Sadie, I still enjoy and like her. But they aren't fit or perfect to be protagonists.

I know that back then before RDR2 was released, everyone didn't like Arthur and thought he wouldn't even be better than John. And you know what happened after the game was released and you spent time with him in the game. But you see, Arthur was ALWAYS going to be the protagonist of the game, ever since the development of RDR2 began around 2011.

Don't @ me. I'm just stating my opinion. If you disagree, that's fine. I'm not going to enforce my opinion on you.

SPOILER WARNING

What is the name of Micah's Gang? ALSO why is Dutch one of Micah's goons? Or is Dutch and Micah co-leaders?

"She shall return to you. Return to you she shall, and that shall destroy both of you, I fear"

That's one of the things the Soothsayer in Lemoyne can say to John in the epilogue. Who does 'she' refer to?

If it's Abigail, how would that "destroy" them both? Does it mean that she will suffer the long term of implications of John's revenge on Micah by being heartbroken and die in 1914? Maybe, but I'm not sold on it. Only thing is, the returning aspect would make sense in terms of her leaving John and later coming back to him when she knows he's changed.

Could 'she' mean Sadie? In terms of her visiting John to tell him about Micah? If so, would that mean that Sadie will die in the future because of her revenge, like John; will she be pursued by the government too? The credits don't suggest that the Bureau found anyone else but John, so again, not sure.

Or, could 'she' have a different meaning entirely that's not about a specific person?

So, there are like ALOT of people who ship Arthur Morgan, the cold, but honorable bank robber and Sadie Adler, a angry and reckless widow and bounty hunter, but I think that the whole thing is kinda stupid. Like, Arthur in my opinion really didn't want to get close with other women based on what happened to Elisa and his son Isaac, and especially after Mary. Sadie never wished to get with someone or marry someone else, because she already loved her deceased husband soo much that loving others will not be easy, especially when her profession is bounty hunting, which is a very dangerous job. The two make great friends, but lovers? Nah, doesn't work and doesn't make sense.