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Honor

Honor is the system which serves to measure the social acceptability of Arthur, John, or Jack's actions in Red Dead Redemption and Red Dead Redemption 2. Specific actions in the game are considered honorable or dishonorable.

Description

Red Dead Redemption

Performing certain positive actions like saving citizens under attack by criminals/animals or aiding lawmen will earn the player honor. Alternatively, taking negative actions like opposing or attacking lawmen, aiding thieves and outlaws, stealing, and violent actions toward innocents (such as Murder) will result in the loss of honor. If authorities are made aware of Marston's negative actions (usually when the actions are witnessed by law enforcement or an eyewitness), Marston will also incur a Bounty.

Honor will affect how NPCs interact with the player in different ways depending on whether one has accumulated high or low honor. The psychological effect of Honor on NPCs is relative to Marston's Fame level.

A player with high Honor is rewarded twice as much pay for jobs and bounties, is bestowed the Duster Coat, and finds that nearly all shopkeepers offer discounts while lawmen and eyewitnesses alike will sometimes overlook minor crimes. Players with Hero Honor rank have a chance of a random encounter with a nun who bestows the Obscuridad del Santo Andres, a kit item that makes enemies less accurate. If a Hero Honor is maintained after receiving the Obscuridad, random nuns will occasionally give the player gifts of money or ask for charity (~$70).

Players with low Honor can bribe eyewitnesses for less, enjoy discounts in the shady town of Thieves' Landing, their whistle can beckon a special, unique Dark Horse with a white face and red scars and eyewitnesses (but not lawmen) won't dare snitch for anything less than murder. Marston will also insult people instead of greeting them.

Players can avoid changes in Honor and Fame altogether by use of the bandana.

Honor also directly affects Marston's bounty levels. Bad deeds will increase Marston's bounty, while good deeds can reduce his bounty.

Red Dead Redemption 2

Honor is a returning system in Red Dead Redemption 2. Unlike its predecessor, Honor plays a more important role to the story.

Arthur Morgan's honor affects his behavior and tone in many of the games story cutscenes as well as changes in dialogue. A high Honor Arthur is more selfless and considerate of others, putting a greater emphasis on keeping the women safe and helping John's family. Contrarily, with low Honor, Arthur is depicted as a more selfish person, prioritising his own desires over those of others. Low Honor Arthur is also prideful and more motivated by money, displaying qualities of greediness and vengefulness, while being apathetic to the struggles of others. Arthur's death is ultimately determined by his Honor: with high Honor, Arthur succumbs to his Tuberculosis, but with low Honor, Arthur is killed by Micah Bell.

Arthur's level of Honor also affects his grave: with high Honor, Arthur's tombstone is pristine and adorned with flowers, with his epitaph reading "Blessed Are Those That Hunger And Thirst For Righteousness". With low Honor, Arthur's tombstone is without any flowers and is weathered-looking, while reading: "Blessed Are Those Who Mourn For They Will Be Comforted". Arthur's Honor level also affects the voice flashbacks present in both his last ride and after his diagnosis of TB. With high Honor, he remembers more positive and hopeful words; with low Honor, Arthur instead remembers negative and somewhat cutting voice flashbacks. The animal present in Arthur's visions is dependent on Honor: with high Honor, Arthur sees a buck basking in the sun's rays, and with low Honor, Arthur sees a black coyote in the rain. Finally, Arthur's Honor affects how characters remember him in the epilogue. One particular example of this would be that, when pursuing Micah, Charles Smith states that Arthur lost interest in getting revenge towards the end, and that he wouldn’t have cared, while if Arthur died with low Honor, Charles instead states that Arthur would have wanted revenge.

Much like in Red Dead Redemption, the player can receive discounts from various stores if they have high Honor. At rank 2, stores offer a 10% discount, at rank 4, stores offer a 25% discount, and at rank 8, stores offer a 50% discount. Meanwhile, having low Honor allows the player to loot better quality item should from dead bodies. Once the player reaches rank 4, the "Hero's Pearl Grip", a unique grip for the Cattleman Revolver becomes available. If the player reaches an Honor rank of -4 (low Honor), the "Gunslinger Ebony Grip", a grip exclusive to the Double-action Revolver, becomes available for purchase. However, players should note that the latter can sometimes be acquirable with the corresponding amount of positive Honor, likely as a result of a glitch.

Unlike with Arthur, John Marston's Honor does not affect his personality in any way, nor does it influence the events of the game. However, changes in gameplay such as store discounts do affect John.

There is no way to stop Honor from changing in Red Dead Redemption 2. Contrary to its predecessor, wearing a bandana does not grant the player amnesty from changes in Honor – it only prevents eyewitnesses from recognising the player.

Results

Red Dead Redemption

Doing specific actions will result in negative or positive Honor:

  • Killing an innocent: -50 honor.
  • Killing your horse: -50 honor.
  • Killing a Lawman: -100 honor.
  • Killing a Preacher: -100 honor.
  • Killing a nun: -100 honor.
  • Bribing a Lawman (while wanted): -400 honor. -1000 if your bounty is $500 or higher.
  • Looting the daughter's corpse in Twin Rocks (looting the container outside her room also counts): -200 honor.
  • Cracking a safe: -100 honor.
  • Killing an Outlaw: +10 honor (the adding information does not show, only rank changes appears).
  • Nightwatch: +50 honor per non-lethal encounter.
  • Bounties: +200 honor alive, +100 honor dead.
  • Helping random encounter strangers: +50 honor per non-lethal resolution.
  • Disarming duel opponent: +200 honor.
  • Defending a stagecoach against bandits: +400 honor.
  • Completing a gang hideout: +200 honor.

Red Dead Redemption 2

Small Honor Gains:

  • Donating to the camps tithing box
  • Donating provisions to Pearson
  • Completing gang member item requests
  • Greeting random people positively
  • Antagonising perverts in Valentine random encounters
  • Helping good people
  • Donating to poor people
  • Helping people attacked by local gang members
  • Completing "American Dreams" by saving the Valentine Sheriff and killing the murderer
  • Completing "The Iniquities of History"
  • Refusing duels
  • Disarming duelists
  • Intervening in conflicts in towns
  • Turning in the "Killer Prostitute"
  • Returning the man's horse after "Polite Society, Valentine Style"
  • Giving the captured slaves money during "Help a Brother Out"
  • Sparing Jean Marc at the end of the mission "Idealism and Pragmatism for Beginners"
  • Allowing the Chelonians to let Arthur talk to Jamie peacefully
  • Going with John Marston during the mission "Red Dead Redemption"
  • Antagonising the KKK members in random encounters
  • Returning caught fish to the water

Major Honor Gains:

Small Honor Losses:

  • Robbing people
  • Robbing stores
  • Stealing
  • Beating people
  • Antagonising people
  • Antagonising gang members
  • Going back for the money in the mission "Red Dead Redemption"
  • Refusing to donate to Brother Dorkins
  • Killing fish with dynamite
  • Wounding an animal and letting it suffer
  • Killing a horse
  • Animal Cruelty to local town animals
  • Killing Jean Marc at the end of the mission "Idealism and Pragmatism for Beginners"
  • Helping the "Killer Prostitute" in Valentine
  • Peeping on women in Valentine

Major Honor Losses:

Titles

These are the high honor ranks in order from lowest to highest:

High Honor Ranks

Rank Title Perk
1 Honest Joe

All jobs pay twice as much (including Bounty Hunting).

2 Peacemaker Shop prices are reduced 50% when buying and increased 50% when selling in all areas except Thieves' Landing, in addition to Honest Joe perks. Worn Duster outfit is unlocked.
3 Hero Lawmen and civilians only report crimes after the first murder in cold blood, in addition to Honest Joe and Peacemaker perks, although bank robberies will still be reported. Also, there is a chance of a random encounter with a nun who bestows the Obscuridad del Santo Andres.

Neutral Honor Ranks

Rank Title Perk
N/A Drifter No perks for neutral honor.

Low Honor Ranks

Here are the low honor ranks in order from lowest to highest:

Rank Title Perk
1 Rustler The cost to bribe eyewitnesses is reduced 50%. If you've already reached "Road Agent", the "rare mount" Dark Horse responds to your whistle as long as you stay below "Drifter" rank.
2 Road Agent All the shops in Thieves' Landing charge you 50% less to buy and pay you 50% more to sell, in addition to Rustler perks. Achieving this title allows you to summon the Dark Horse, as long as you don't pass into "Drifter" rank.
3 Desperado In addition to Rustler and Road Agent perks, no eyewitness reports crime below murder, although lawmen still respond to all crimes if seen. An exception: if you're seen robbing a bank the crime will be reported.

Trivia

Red Dead Redemption
  • There is a known glitch in which to earn extra honor: After having accepted a bounty, the game must be saved and the bounty returned alive for an increase in honor. Then, without saving, the player must kill themselves; the game will reload to before the bounty was claimed, but will still have the gain in honor and money and may claim the bounty again. This does not always work, and may only work once per bounty.
  • Neither honor nor Fame are used in the Undead Nightmare DLC pack.
  • Some characters like Trent Oxley and Wilton Glover only appear as dueling challengers when the player has low honor.
  • The easiest place to lose honor is Thieves Landing and Casa Madrugada, since you incur no bounty for crimes committed there.
  • The fastest way to lose honor is by attacking lawmen, bribing them, re-attacking them and bribing them again, although it is difficult to pull off.

Achievement/Trophy

Honor is associated with this gameplay achievement/trophy:

Red Dead Redemption

Rdr man honor chivalry's dead
25 gamerscoreGamerscore
Bronze bronzeBronze
Attain highest Fame rank and either highest or lowest Honor rank.


Red Dead Redemption 2

ExtremePersonality
10 gamerscoreGamerscore
Bronze bronzeBronze
Reach maximum or minimum Honor level


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