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H. Roosevelt

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  • I live in the American Midwest
  • I was born on October 10
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  • Why did you reverted my edits? I had a lot of work in adding them and create a new category and page in the RDR2 wiki and you're NOT helping at all in reverting my eidts you're just staring an uncessessary nuisance and annoyance.

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  • Hey just letting you know the Posse page linked in topnav (Community->Misc) has been deleted, maybe someone forgot to remove/replace it from topnav? Have a good day!

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  • Why isn't discussing box burning or buffalo jumping a necessary bit of trivia to include? It's real-life trivia about Native American hunting. Would it be alright to place it on a different page?

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    • While it appears a fellow staff member has already responded to your question, I don’t mind explaining the reason I had done so since I had removed it in the first place.

      The hunting tactics you noted with the claim that Charles Smith’s reaction to poaching was contrary not only lacked relevance due in part to the tribe he originates from never being specified but also the implication that all Native American tribes had both used and continued to use that tactic by this time period, which is incorrect. One of the references you provided also was written with a specific agenda as opposed to being a more objective source.

      Beyond that, adding similar statements to pages related to Native Americans on the wiki within and the rewording on the Wapiti Indians page is either a clear or misguided attempt to downplay the oppression Native Americans suffered at the hands of the United States. It’s frankly ignorant to push as much blame on the Natives themselves as possible rather than accepting the fact that the United States has both historically and recently acted in oppressing them, as somewhat depicted within the games.

      I hope that better explains what I had meant with the reversal.

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    • "One of the references you provided also was written with a specific agenda as opposed to being a more objective source."

      What is your explanation as to why this was made with a specific agenda as opposed to being a more objective source? 

      "Wapiti Indians page is either a clear or misguided attempt to downplay the oppression Native Americans suffered at the hands of the United States."

      I thought the Red Dead wiki was about a series that was a fictional representation of America. Why would historical accuracy be needed for a fictional represenation of America in one case and not another? I'm not sure what argument you are making here.

      "It’s frankly ignorant to push as much blame on the Natives themselves as possible rather than accepting the fact that the United States has both historically and recently acted in oppressing them, as somewhat depicted within the games."

      Please, do NOT misrepresent my arguments. I NEVER said the United States government didn't do anything wrong to the Native American people. I have made that VERY clear. I was adding sourced facts about history that are based on evidence and historical truth. What does pointing out that Native Americans tribes utilized the Buffalo jump have to do with "push as much blame" on Native Americans? I find Native American history (and especially this time peiod of America) fascinating. I don't deny that Native Americans suffered through broken treaties, violence, and other unsavory acts in American history. At the same time, to suggest that somehow removing emotional language and adding cited facts of Native American culture (while also at the same time approving of wildly unfounded arguments on wiki pages) somehow "decreases the message of Native American suffering" is an emotional argument not built on reason or logic.

      The absolute cheek of suggesting that acknowledging the complicated history of the American peoples in favor of a simplified narrative of Native Americans being victims is not only disrespectful to the history of Native American culture, but to basic history. The arguments of why these are not considered "trivia" have not only been illogical, but also contradictory based the other examples of trivia on this site. 

      "that all Native American tribes had both used and continued to use that tactic by this time period, which is incorrect"

      Do you know which tribe Charles belonged to in the game? By your own argument, you could be just as wrong for removing that piece of trivia as I could be for suggesting it because you're implying you know what tribe Charles came from. What argument do you have in terms of this tactic being used in this time period being "incorrect?"

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    • I apologize if my response came off as personally offensive in any way. That was not my intention. However, the assumption that the arguments made by both another admin and myself outright deny the complicated history of Native Americans is not accurate. With that stated, I do not wish to draw out this discussion given that type of rhetoric is bound to derail into a pointless back and forth, no longer pertaining to the issue itself.

      “What is your explanation as to why this was made with a specific agenda as opposed to being a more objective source?”
      If you mean to ask what I think, it’s due to the author being well-known for spreading false information and shameless about doing so. This article was no different in exaggerating any Native American effects to the bison population and depicting it as if their lesser contributions to the issue were equatable to those done by settlers, accompanied with misappropriated statements such as "Isenberg wonders whether the North American bison herd was already falling below replacement levels before white hunters arrived", insinuating, based on vague speculation, it was as severe as the meddling conducted by settlers. That is textbook sophistry, even if done so with the admission of the faults of the settlers as they had. They go on further to also prop up the system that nearly destroyed the bison as if its eventual efforts in preventing the potential extinction nullified its interference entirely. All in all, if that system hadn’t done its more considerable damage in the first place, there wouldn’t have been a problem to mend.

      “I thought the Red Dead wiki was about a series that was a fictional representation of America. Why would historical accuracy be needed for a fictional represenation of America in one case and not another? I'm not sure what argument you are making here.”
      Specific context to the game matters. To put it simply, the Red Dead series as a whole is, of course, a fictional representation of America and as such, storylines akin to the situation with the Wapiti Indians serve to highlight dark moments in American history. This also leads me to your next argument.

      “The absolute cheek of suggesting that acknowledging the complicated history of the American peoples in favor of a simplified narrative of Native Americans being victims is not only disrespectful to the history of Native American culture, but to basic history.”
      This is reaching a hyperbolic point in regards to trivia not properly tied to the pages in question. Your mention of Natives having conflict amongst themselves implies they shared similar blame to the settlers and soldiers who oppressed them, also going by what your own source claimed. The sentence contained the contributors to their plight. As such, I also never stated you hadn’t noted the United States government’s aggression, I only expressed that you were shifting blame on the Natives as well as if it were comparable. On another note, this high horse argument that these reversals deny or disrespect history is a distraction to the issue of their overall relevance.

      “Do you know which tribe Charles belonged to in the game? By your own argument, you could be just as wrong for removing that piece of trivia as I could be for suggesting it because you're implying you know what tribe Charles came from. What argument do you have in terms of this tactic being used in this time period being "incorrect?"”
      The wording of your contributions generalized these hunting tactics as if committed by all tribes. As I specifically stated, we don’t know Charles’ tribe, hence why his disgusted reaction to wasteful hunting tactics he witnessed committed by poachers shouldn’t be considered contrary. He was disgusted because it obviously wasn’t a practice whichever tribe he originated from condoned. As such, again, neither the buffalo jump or box burning tactics were historically still widely employed by Native American tribes as recently as the game takes place, as noted in the separate source you had provided.

      With that said, this was all supposed to be in regards to whether or not your contributions to the pages were relevant and they remain not to be for the reasons of Charles Smith’s aversion to wasteful hunting hinted to have stemmed from how he learned to hunt in addition to these aforementioned tactics being factually unrelated through the manner in which these situations occur. 

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  • i am trying to make john marstons classic hat i all ready have the kind of hat all i need to know is how big is the leather hat band is and how big is is hat. If you can get some one to help me that is crazy enuff to figure this stuff out that would be fantastic.

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  • Hello there

    Out of curiosity, I'd like ask why my changes to Phillip Ross and Griffon's pages have been reverted, so that I don't repeat any mistakes I might have made.

    In both cases I changed the outdated format used in their articles, such as using "Interactions" when referring to an individual character, or having "Background" and "Personality" as headings. Also, Griffon is mentioned in Redemption, so shouldn't he be in the "Mentioned Characters in Redemption" catagory?

    Thanks

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    • Starting off with Phillip Ross, his role in Redmption is as a minor character and I had reversed your edit based on your contribution adding the category of "Strangers in Redemption" which he is not. With that being said, do feel free to change the headings back to the updated ones since those weren't incorrect. I apologize for that.

      As for Griffon, while he is mentioned in-game during a campfire story, this detail has been placed in the trivia section due to the fact that none of the characters in Revolver exist in the Redemption saga as real people, just legends.

      Thank you for messaging me on the issue and happy editing!

      EDIT: After looking over the pages of the other two mentioned characters from Revolver, I've decided to reinstate your edits on the basis that they are both listed in the category as well. Sorry for the confusion.

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    • Thank you and have a great day

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  • Hey, would you be so kind when you have free time and add the missing mission descriptions for "These Bastards Can Fight" and "Banks Don't Rob Themselves" to the Red Dead Online protagonist page? They're the only missions missing. I would do it myself but I'm terrible at sentence structure. It wouldn't look very good. Thanks.

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  • I made a big paragraph on the discussions page but it's not letting me hit "create post"

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  • I can't find if this wiki has the union jack railroad in it. 

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  • Im still waiting on your explanation on why Hosea randomly talks in a sacracstic tone when talking about Johns fate. 

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    Wagwan piffting23 closed this thread because:
    User had resorted to petty insults; conversation is over.
    18:00, January 27, 2020
    • Good for you. As much you might feel wholly entitled to yet another re-explanation, I'm really not interested in giving this more oxygen. Users have much better duties to attend to on the site than waste time on those who believe their contributions should be infallible because they can make sporadic messages.

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    • So in other words, you could not think of any explanation that does not point to me being right, so you whip out the old ' better things to do ' excuse....

      Classic arrogant fandom admin right here folks, all they care about is being in authority because they have nothing else in life to be proud of =] 

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    • You know im right, why else would he start talking in a sarcastic tone? or are you going to retcon it and say he is not even talking sarcastically? 

      He said i was wrong but gave no explanation to how I was wrong, it is like he thinks the fact that he is an admin will just make him right by default. If you are going to say someone is wrong, you should provide reasons why.

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